08-05-08 Council
August 5, 2008
A regular meeting of the Scandia City Council was held on the above date. Mayor Seefeldt
called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. The following councilmembers were present: Council
members Pete Crum, Michael Harnetty, Dolores Peterson, Mayor Dennis Seefeldt, Donnette
Yehle. Staff present: Administrator Anne Hurlburt, City Attorney Dave Hebert, Building Official
Steve Thorp, Deputy Clerk Brenda Eklund.
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA
Councilmember Peterson, seconded by Councilmember Yehle, moved to approve the
agenda as presented. The motion passed unanimously.
TEMPORARY LIQUOR LICENSE FOR SCANDIA SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION
The Scandia Softball Association has applied for a temporary license for their beer sales during
games at the lighted ball field during the Taco Days event on September 5, 2008.
Councilmember Yehle, seconded by Councilmember Peterson, moved to approve the
Temporary Liquor License for the Scandia Softball Association for September 5, 2008. The
motion passed unanimously.
APPOINT JUDGES FOR THE 2008 PRIMARY AND GENERAL ELECTIONS,
RESOLUTION 08-05-08-01
Thirty individuals have recently completed a two-hour training session for qualification to serve
as an election judge. The list will be used to schedule judges for the primary and general
elections. Councilmember Peterson, seconded by Councilmember Crum, moved to adopt
Resolution 08-05-08-01 Appointing Judges for the2008 Primary and General Elections. The
motion passed unanimously.
COMMENTS ON MAY TOWNSHIP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
The Town of May has submitted its 2030 Comprehensive Plan and has requested comments as
soon as possible so that the Metropolitan Council’s review can begin. Staff review has
determined that the plan appears to have little impact on Scandia’s planning and recommends no
revisions. Councilmember Harnetty, seconded by Councilmember Peterson, moved to
approve a letter to the Town of May indicating no comments or revisions on the 2030
Comprehensive Plan. The motion passed unanimously.
COMMENTS ON FOREST LAKE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
The City of Scandia has submitted its 2030 Comprehensive Plan for review and comments. Staff
review has determined that the plan does not appear to have any significant impacts on Scandia’s
planning. Councilmember Harnetty, seconded by Mayor Seefeldt, moved to approve a letter
to the City of Forest Lake indicating no comments on the 2030 Comprehensive Plan. The
motion passed unanimously.
TOBACCO PRODUCTS SALES LICENSE, SCANDIA GROCERY STORE
Scandia Grocery and Deli, 14875 Oakhill Road, will change ownership in August. New owners
Jim and Margie Dreher (K & B, LLC), have applied for a change in ownership for the tobacco
products sales license. The application conforms to Ordinance No. 92 regulating the sale and use
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of tobacco products. Councilmember Peterson, seconded by Councilmember Crum, moved
to approve the tobacco license for the Scandia Grocery Store and Deli under new owners
James and Margie Dreher (K & B, LLC).
GRADING PERMIT FOR R & J EXCAVATION, 19005 AND 18997 LAYTON AVENUE,
RESOLUTION 08-05-08-02
R & J Excavation has applied for grading permits to replace rip rap along the shoreline of Big
Marine Lake at two residences, 19005 and 18997 Layton Avenue. The project is exempt from a
DNR Waters work permit but must conform to DNR guidelines. Councilmember Peterson,
seconded by Mayor Seefeldt, moved to adopt Resolution 08-05-08-02 Issuing a Grading
Permit for 19005 and 18997 Layton Avenue North. The motion passed unanimously.
The Planning Commission meeting was called to order at 7:32 p.m. The following were
present: Commission Chair Chris Ness, Commissioners Tom Krinke, Susan Rodsjo, Peter
Schwarz, Building Official Steve Thorp and TKDA Planner Berry Farrington. Absent:
Commissioner Christine Maefsky.
TOM AND LISA STANEK : VARIANCES TO CONSTRUCT A NEW HOME AT 19107
LAYTON AVENUE
Tom and Lisa Stanek are requesting variances to allow for construction of a new home located at
19107 Layton Avenue. The property is currently a vacant lot within the Shoreland Management
District of Big Marine Lake. The property is less than a ¼-acre in size and approximately 75 feet
wide. The submitted house plans propose a two-story walkout which measures 32 feet in height.
The applicant provided a letter from Washington County Department of Public Health stating
that the 201 wastewater treatment system has capacity to serve the home.
TKDA Planner Berry Farrington presented the planner’s report. In order to develop the lot as
proposed, variances are needed for lot size, lot width, setback from the Ordinary High Water
level (OHW), right of way setback and lot coverage exceeding 25%. A recommendation to
relocate the proposed deck to the north side allows for a 47 foot OHW setback established by the
house. The applicant proposes to use pervious paver systems to build the driveway, path and two
patios, for a total of 12% of the site. The planner recommends that this area should not be fully
excluded from the calculation of lot coverage. As the proposed house, deck and entrance pad
cover 25% of the lot, a variance for excess lot coverage was also included in the request. Ms.
Farrington presented findings to support conditional approval of the request.
Chairman Ness opened the hearing to the public.
Doug Salmela, 19091 Layton Avenue: Mr. Salmela expressed his view that the lot was classified
as unbuildable and a sufficient hardship does not exist to grant this variance request. Mr. Salmela
felt this would set a precedence for future variance requests.
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Brad Bergo, 19123 Layton Avenue: Mr. Bergo presented a petition signed by 62 neighborhood
residents opposing the variance request. Among their concerns is the capacity of the 201 septic
system to handle another connection. Mr. Bergo brought forth his concern about the effect a
developed lot would have on the natural drainage of stormwater onto his adjacent property,
possibly resulting in flooding onto his lot. Mr. Bergo concluded by stating his opposition due to
lack of an existing hardship.
Ann Myre, 19111 Larkspur Avenue: Ms. Myre expressed her opposition, stating that the scale of
the house is excessive and not consistent with the neighborhood. She felt the building of this
house would detract from scenic views the residents currently have.
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Mike White, 13310 188 Street: Mr. White stated his view that the lot is too small to allow for a
house of this size; the scale of the house is too large for the neighborhood; and the structure is
too close to the lake.
Jim Shaver, Carnelian-Marine-St. Croix Watershed Administrator: Mr. Shaver felt this would be
a risky variance to approve as it appears to have a detrimental effect on water quality due to the
high impervious surface of the proposed plans and the insufficient setback from the OHW.
Commissioner Rodsjo asked Mr. Shaver for his view on pervious pavers. Mr. Shaver replied that
if the paver system is not maintained, failure will occur.
Jeff Dahlberg, 19151 Layton Avenue: Mr. Dahlberg felt this variance request should be denied
based on the 100 foot lake setback being the requirement. Mr. Dahlberg was concerned how this
structure would contribute to additional run-off into Big Marine Lake.
Darlene Schueller, 19203 Layton Avenue: Ms. Schueller felt the city should strictly enforce the
setbacks that are required.
Liz Kramer, 19126 Layton Avenue: Ms. Kramer is opposed to this variance request.
Dick Bohrer, 18849 Layton Avenue: Mr. Bohrer feels this is an unbuildable site and would have
a negative effect on the capacity of the 201 septic system.
Paula Marshall, 19130 Larkspur Avenue: Ms. Marshall expressed opposition due to the greater
than 50% variance requests and feels the proposed house does not fit the character of the
neighborhood.
Ken Kopka, 18420 Norell Avenue: Mr. Kopka supports this variance request as he feels it would
be an improvement to the neighborhood.
Chairman Ness closed the public comment portion of the hearing.
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Tom Stanek, Applicant, addressed the commission with the history of lot. It was a “junk lot”
when purchased five years ago and he has since cleaned it up and is requesting to further
improve on it. The neighborhood currently supports a variety of homes and Mr. Stanek feels that
this house should have no problem fitting in. Mr. Stanek stated that multiple variance requests
have been approved for many lots in this area near the lake. Washington County Department of
Public Health has confirmed that there is sufficient capacity for hook-up into the 201 collector
system.
Commissioner Schwarz questioned who determined that this property is unbuildable? Attorney
Hebert explained that ultimately the city can determine this when an application comes before it.
Regulations change over time, allowing for changes in classification. A lot may be non-
conforming, but still buildable once certain conditions are met. The property tax on a lot will
adjust once a variance to allow for improvement is approved. Commissioner Rodsjo reiterated
that an unbuildable classification is not concrete due to changes in rules over time.
Councilmember Peterson inquired if a paving assessment to the owner was made when the road
was improved. Administrator Hurlburt will look into this.
Commissioner Schwarz expressed his view on variances that were approved in the past. Most
were granted to lots that had existing structures on them and the improvements allowed for a
better use of the property. Mr. Schwarz sees no hardship in this application as the proposed
building does not meet the requirements of the lot. Consideration may be given if the lot
coverage can be reduced as much as possible.
Tom Herman, builder for Mr. Stanek, explained that the natural drainage areas of the lot will not
be disturbed, and improvements to the drainage are being considered. Maintenance plans are in
place for the pervious paver system.
Commissioner Rodsjo stated that most houses along Big Marine Lake do not conform to
established setbacks and are even closer in some instances. Commissioner Rodsjo recommended
that the 25% lot coverage must be met in order to protect the water quality. This could be done
by replacing the patio area and establishing rock gardens within the site.
Mayor Seefeldt would like to see the lot coverage lowered to at least 25% and increase the OHW
setback as much as possible. The obtrusiveness from the lakeside should be minimized.
Councilmember Yehle felt the owner has a right to build within reason but could not support a
variance to lot coverage over 25%. Yehle referenced DNR Specialist Molly Shodeen’s memo
regarding the DNR’s concerns of the pervious paver maintenance schedule and that a small lot
may not accommodate all the amenities that an owner desires. Yehle views this application as
squeezing an oversized house on a small lot and that the structure should be made as conforming
as possible.
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The commissioners were in agreement that the two-story walkout does not fit the character of the
neighborhood and would appear misplaced. Councilmember Peterson voiced her agreement.
Mayor Seefeldt suggested to the applicant that he work with the Watershed to develop a Best
Management Practices plan in an effort to improve on the lake quality.
The applicants were advised to resubmit plans of a reduced scale.
The Planning Commission moved to continue the variance hearing to the September meeting.
ROSS AND MARTA NELSON: VARIANCE TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY
STRUCTURE CLOSER TO THE ROAD (RESOLUTION 08-05-08-03)
Applicants Ross and Marta Nelson were present to request a variance to construct an accessory
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structure closer to the road right-of-way than the principal structure at 12445 235 Street. The
property is 4.85 acres.
TKDA Planner Berry Farrington presented the planner’s report which recommended approval as
there are no alternative sites on the property to locate the 1,200 square foot structure. All other
regulations are met.
Chairman Ness opened the hearing to the public. There were no comments and the hearing was
closed.
Commissioner Schwarz stated that the property is adequately screened from the road and sees no
problem in granting this variance.
The Planning Commission unanimously recommended approval of the variance request.
Councilmember Peterson, seconded by Councilmember Crum, moved to accept the
recommendation of the Planning Commission and adopt Resolution 08-05-08-03 Approving
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a Variance Request for 12445 235 Street. The motion passed unanimously.
MARK AND COLLEEN KAISER: VARIANCE TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY
STRUCTURE CLOSER TO THE ROAD (RESOLUTION 08-05-08-04)
Applicants Mark and Colleen Kaiser were present to request a variance to construct an accessory
structure closer to the road right-of-way than the principal structure at 14440 Old Marine Trail.
The property is 5.3 acres and lies within the Hay Lake Shoreland District.
TKDA Planner Berry Farrington presented the planner’s report. A variance for location is
required as the proposed 2,000 square foot structure does not meet Section 9.2 (2)(B) of the
Zoning Ordinance that states a structure may be closer to the road than the house on lots greater
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than 5 acres if it is at least 200 feet from the road right-of-way. Due to the nature of the lot, the
structure will be built approximately 100 feet from the right-of-way. The planner recommends
approval as no alternative sites exist on the lot for placement of the structure.
Chairman Ness opened the hearing to the public. There were no comments and the hearing was
closed.
Councilmember Crum asked for clarification of the property on the north side of the house.
Planner Farrington stated that the setback from a wetland could not be met on that site.
Mayor Seefeldt stated the lot is heavily wooded and the building would be adequately screened.
Plans show the structure preferably placed further from the lakeside.
The Planning Commission unanimously recommended approval of the variance request.
Councilmember Peterson, seconded by Councilmember Yehle, moved to accept the
recommendation of the Planning Commission to adopt Resolution 08-05-08-04 Approving a
Variance Request for 14440 Old Marine Trail. The motion passed unanimously.
SCOT AND COURTNEY TAYLOR: AMENDED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT
MEISTERS BAR AND GRILL (RESOLUTION 08-05-08-05)
Applicants Scot and Courtney Taylor were present to request an amended Conditional Use
Permit to allow for a volleyball court/boot hockey rink at Meister’s Bar and Grill, located at
14808 Oakhill Road North. The owners proposed operating the rink on Tuesday evenings from 6
to 9 p.m.
TKDA Planner Berry Farrington presented the planner’s report. A draft resolution was prepared
granting approval of the request. The resolution also included permit conditions for the existing
operation so that all conditions which meet the commercial/retail CUP Ordinance are recorded
into one document. The report recommends that the parking lot be striped and that grass be
replanted around the disturbed area of the court/rink. A lighting plan must be submitted to
conform to Ordinance standards.
Chairman Ness opened the hearing to the public.
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Mike White, 13310 188 Street: Mr. White inquired as to the hours of operation of the City’s ice
rink. The Scandia rink is open to 10:00 pm during the winter season.
Discussion of the hours of operation followed. It was suggested that the condition regulating
hours be modified to allow for an ending time of 9:00 pm on a daily basis.
There were no additional comments and the hearing was closed.
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Councilmember Yehle asked for clarification of Condition #8 which requires Meisters to notify
the City with a list and description of events. Administrator Hurlburt explained that this is
designed to continue a system of communication to the City. The current owners have a good
record of this, but it should be written into the CUP in the case of new ownership.
Councilmember Peterson asked if a limit will be put on outdoor music events. Mr. Taylor stated
that bands end at 11 p.m. Mayor Seefeldt stated that the public can dictate this. A permit is not
required, but if complaints are registered, limits could be put on events.
The Planning Commission unanimously recommended approval of the variance request.
Councilmember Yehle, seconded by Councilmember Peterson, moved to accept the
recommendation of the Planning Commission to adopt draft Resolution 08-05-08-05 (with
an amendment to hours of operation for the volleyball/boot hockey rink) for an Amended
Conditional Use Permit Request for Meister’s Bar and Grill, 14808 Oakhill Road. The
motion passed unanimously.
JIM AND NANCY HERMES: PROPOSED LOT DIVISION IN KIRKHILL ESTATES
Jim and Nancy Hermes, 22577 Kirk Avenue, were present for an informal discussion of a
proposed lot division in Kirkhill Estates. They would like to reclaim Lot 7 as a separate buildable
lot, as they had combined Lots 6 and 7 in 1995 for tax purposes. Since the original subdivision in
1972, zoning regulations have changed. The maximum density has been exceeded so that no
subdivision would be allowed without a variance. The Hermes’ were seeking advice on whether
the proposed lot division would meet the criteria for issuance of a variance. As no final
determination can be made until all required information is reviewed (survey, topography maps,
soil tests, wetland delineation, etc.), the commissioners were not opposed to this request.
Councilmember Yehle, seconded by Councilmember Peterson, moved to adjourn.
The meeting adjourned at 9:35 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Brenda Eklund
Deputy Clerk