10-07-08 Council
October 7, 2008
A regular meeting of the Scandia City Council was held on the above date. Mayor Seefeldt
called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. The following councilmembers were present: Council
members Pete Crum, Michael Harnetty, Dolores Peterson, Donnette Yehle, Mayor Dennis
Seefeldt. Staff present: Administrator Anne Hurlburt, City Attorney Dave Hebert, City Engineer
Paul Hornby, Building Official Steve Thorp, Deputy Clerk Brenda Eklund.
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA
Councilmember Peterson added to the agenda a discussion of the Rasmussen house. Mayor
Seefeldt added a report on Green Acres legislation and a review of upcoming meeting dates.
Councilmember Harnetty, seconded by Councilmember Crum, moved to approve the
agenda as amended. The motion passed unanimously.
APPROVE PLANS, ORDER IMPROVEMENT AND ACCEPT BID FOR
IMPROVEMENTS TO OXBORO CIRCLE – RESOLUTION 10-07-08-01
City Engineer Paul Hornby has prepared plans and reviewed bids for completion of Oxboro
Circle in The Sanctuary development. Five bids were submitted, with a low bid of $33,308.50
from T.A. Schifsky & Sons. The cost of the project, less the proceeds from a letter of credit, will
be assessed against the three lots in the development which are still owned by the developer.
Councilmember Peterson, seconded by Councilmember Yehle, moved to adopt Resolution
10-07-08-01 Approving Plans and Specifications, Ordering Improvements and Accepting
Bid. The motion passed unanimously.
LEWIS AND BARBARA GRAMER, LOT DIVISION/LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT AT
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11345 228 STREET – RESOLUTION 10-07-08-02
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Lewis and Barbara Gramer, 11345 228 Street, have requested approval for a lot line adjustment.
The Gramers would purchase abutting land from Tiller Corporation to increase their lot from
18.5 acres to over 20 acres, to accommodate for the building of a larger accessory structure. The
submitted survey meets the conditions of the Scandia Development Code Chapter 3, Section 4.6.
Councilmember Peterson, seconded by Councilmember Crum, moved to adopt Resolution
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10-07-08-02 Approving a Lot Division to add 1.5 Acres to the Parcel at 11345 228 Street
North. The motion passed unanimously.
PURCHASE OF CHAIN LINK FENCING FOR ICE RINK
The Ice Rink Committee has recommended installing 200 feet of 4’ high chain link fence above
the boards on each end of the ice rink. Century Fence Company submitted a quote of $2,790.00
to furnish and install the fencing. Additional quotes were requested from other companies but
none were received. Councilmember Harnetty thought this to be a good idea, as it will be a better
barrier than fabric and the stanchions are in place to attach the fence. Councilmember
Harnetty, seconded by Councilmember Peterson, moved to approve the purchase of chain
link fencing for the ice rink from Century Fence Company at a cost of $2,790.00. The
motion passed unanimously.
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LETTER OF CREDIT RELEASE FOR WILD BUSH ACRES SUBDIVISION
North American Land & Title Group has requested the release of the letter of credit for
landscaping and utility improvements in the Wild Bush Acres subdivision. Building Official
Thorp has inspected the site and finds the developer has fulfilled all requirements.
Councilmember Peterson, seconded by Councilmember Yehle, moved to approve the
request for the release of letter of credit for landscaping and utility improvements in the
Wild Bush Acres subdivision. The motion passed unanimously.
SNOWPLOWING AND ICE CONTROL POLICY
Administrator Hurlburt and Maintenance Worker Egelkraut recently attended a workshop on
snowplow and street maintenance policies sponsored by the League of MN Cities. Based on the
model and examples gathered at that session, Administrator Hurlburt presented to the council a
draft snowplowing and ice control policy to document the city’s priorities and procedures for this
service. Council discussed the listing of sidewalks to which the city will provide snow removal.
Councilmember Harnetty, seconded by Councilmember Peterson, moved to adopt
Resolution 10-07-08-03 Establishing a Snowplowing and Ice Control Policy. The motion
passed unanimously.
DISCUSSION OF RASMUSSEN HOUSE
Councilmember Peterson received a request from Pastor Westphal of Elim Church to consider
the rental of the city-owned property at 20780 Olinda Trail to a family in need of housing.
Administrator Hurlburt advised, and confirmed by Attorney Hebert, that due to the many safety
and code issues at this property, it would be a significant risk to allow a family to take up
residence in the house. Among the concerns of the aged house are questionable electrical,
plumbing and heating systems.
GREEN ACRES PROPERTY CLASSIFICATIONS
Mayor Seefeldt reported on a meeting recently held at Washington County which addressed the
change in state law to properties currently classified as Green Acres in the property tax system.
All non-productive land will be phased out of Green Acres and require the payment of back
taxes. Mayor Seefeldt would like to prepare a resolution for the City to send to state legislators,
as this affects many property owners in Scandia. This resolution would ask for a reconsideration
of the bill and request a delay of action until the many questions surrounding this law may be
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answered. Mayor Seefeldt would like the council to review the resolution at their October 21
meeting.
REVIEW OF MEETING DATES
Administrator Hurlburt reviewed the upcoming special meeting dates with the council.
The Planning Commission meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. The following were
present: Commission Chair Chris Ness, Commissioners Tom Krinke, Christine Maefsky,
Susan Rodsjo, Peter Schwarz and Comprehensive Plan Consultant Jean Coleman.
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PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CONTINUED FROM
SEPTEMBER 18, 2008
Jean Coleman of C.R. Planning presented an overview of the proposed Comprehensive Plan.
Chairman Ness opened the hearing to the public.
Bill Clapp, 19995 Quinnell Avenue, stated that as a representative of the St. Croix Scenic
Association and the St. Croix River Association, he was present to provide comments supporting
the proposed plan. Mr. Clapp recommended the adoption of the plan as it has been presented. He
stated approval of classifying the Trails End corner as residential and sees this plan as supporting
small farms.
Kevin Nickelson, 11262 Scandia Trail, stated his opposition to the proposed plan. He sees the
plan as complex and highly regulatory, making it difficult to implement at a high cost to the city.
Landowners will be giving up development rights, as little is offered to developers of
conservation subdivisions. He asked the Commissioners to simplify the plan and maintain the
4/40 density in Ag Core. Mr. Nickelson added that the Trails End site at the corner of Highways
95 and 97 has historically been a commercial node and should remain so.
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Don Pennings, 10400 185 Street, sees this as a loss of development rights and a taking of
property from landowners. Mr. Pennings questioned how the Planning Commission and Met
Council are appointed, and why the Met Council has the power to require cities to adopt plans
such as these.
Chairman Ness stated the Planning Commission is appointed by the City Council for five-year
terms. Administrator Hurlburt explained that the Met Council is comprised of 16 members,
appointed by the governor, each representing a metropolitan district. The Met Council has legal
authority to coordinate local planning within regulated plans and policies. Met Council
requirements do influence the direction of the comprehensive planning.
Annette Gilbertson, 12791Oakhill Road, stated she is in agreement with Mr. Nickelson’s
comments. She questioned how future zoning will affect previously submitted housing plats.
Hurlburt replied that approved plats have a two year period to be recorded, after which they
expire.
Mike Caron, Tiller Corporation, commented that the Natural Resources map within the plan
should more accurately reflect current aggregate conditions within the city. He would like to see
the Zavoral pit, located east of the intersection of Highways 95 and 97, identified as an active
mining site. This pit contains stockpiles, although it does not currently operate by an active
conditional use permit. As this site lies within the River Corridor overlay, amending the plan to
allow future mining would be a difficult step.
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Margie Pennings, 10400 185 Street, stated that citizens should have a right to vote on a
monumental plan such as this.
Myron Lindgren, 15040 Old Marine Trail, stated that active farms are no longer a way of life in
Scandia and the city needs new businesses and residents to support the community. This plan is
too restrictive to the development of new commercial businesses and homes.
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John Lindell, 11240 218 Street, questioned the theoretical buildout table on page 121 of the
draft plan. Coleman explained that this table, along with the table on page 122, is provided to
illustrate that the maximum planned average density of 10 acres per unit is met. The Met Council
is being more restrictive than they were on the plan that was adopted in 1998. Wetland acres are
excluded from the potential buildable acres.
Lisa Schlingerman, 20661 Quint Avenue, stated the importance of preserving the river corridor,
and cautioned against overdevelopment.
Jim Simpson, 23393 Nolan Avenue, stated that this is an overly complicated plan with too many
levels of restrictions. The plan appears to have five levels of restrictions on property that he
owns. He asked the commission to simplify the plan, as it would be costly to implement as it
now stands. He also stated that “stealing value” by lowering density in Ag Core is wrong. He
believes the plan overlooks other ways of preserving the rural concept, such as adding tree
specifications. Mr. Simpson was informed that the current development code contains a tree
preservation ordinance.
Coleman clarified that shoreland overlays have been extended by the state and are divided into
two categories. Scenic roads/viewsheds are looked at as guides and will be more fully considered
in the implementation strategy.
Jeff Fusco, Stillwater, stated that he is the owner of the property at the corner of Highways 95
and 97, formerly the Trails End restaurant site. He is displeased with the proposed plan that
removes his site from commercial zoning, and feels the city is taking away his property.
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Cliff Guggisberg, 12780 182 Street, asked how many open acres would be required to develop
a commercial business on a 25-acre parcel. Administrator Hurlburt answered that it would be
dependent on where this site was located.
Gerald Muller, 23323 Olinda Trail, views this plan as taking away his land value. The former
plan was good enough.
Kevin Nickelson reiterated his view that the plan is too regulatory and restrictive. It removes
options for people on what they can do with their property.
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Ernie Kertzscher, 21350 Olinda Trail, commented that the net effect of this plan appears to be
higher per capita property taxes, as less development would be coming in.
Bill Clapp stated that provisions are available through the purchase of development rights or the
Transfer of Development Rights program to provide compensation to landowners affected by
lowered density. He thought the former Trails End site could be used for a low-profile visitor
center.
Annette Gilbertson asked for clarification on the use of Open Space Development as it applies to
a 120-acre parcel. Coleman stated that the plan would encourage conservation subdivisions in
General Rural and Ag Core areas.
Don Pennings stated his view that the free market has been given away to social planning. There
is no fairness in destroying land value.
Ross Brunfelt, 19400 Orwell Avenue, feels this is a plan gone awry. He is disappointed that the
Trails End site will be zoned residential. He sees no logic in this as it is a busy corner. He asked
for a more clear explanation of the Ag Core area.
Coleman expanded on the definition from the draft plan in which the density is 2 per 40, but a
variety of lot sizes are encouraged.
Dan Booren, 11522 Mayberry Trail, stated his agreement with Mike Caron, in that mining, as a
valuable resource, should not be cut off. Why is the unrestored Zavoral pit classified as prime
ag? It is wishful thinking to stress and promote agricultural use of land in these current times.
This plan regulates down to the extreme. He asked the commission to take another look at the
plan before making a decision.
Ron Simpson asked if more public involvement will be done before adoption.
Chairman Ness stated that a workshop could address modifications to the plan. The public would
be welcome to attend, but it wouldn’t be public hearing.
Ernie Kertzscher asked if there is a conflict between this proposed plan and the current
development code. Mayor Seefeldt answered that yes, there is conflict and the city must adopt a
new code within nine months after the Comprehensive Plan is adopted.
Chairman Ness closed the public hearing at 9:13 p.m.
Councilmember Harnetty relayed comments from resident Howard Hawkinson in which he is
opposed to the rezoning of the Trails End site. Mr. Hawkinson also questioned how prior road
assessments would be handled once a property is rezoned. That is, if a property was assessed for
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four parcels and then rezoned to two, will a refund be offered? City Attorney Hebert replied no,
assessments are levied based on residential units that are in place for that particular zoning at that
time, and are not an open-ended guarantee.
Commissioner Schwarz feels that there are serious points to be considered. A decision should be
postponed until the plan can be reviewed in a workshop setting.
Commissioner Rodsjo felt that many good points have been addressed through the two public
hearing sessions and should be more thoroughly considered in a workshop.
Commissioner Krinke stated that the intent of the Comprehensive Plan Committee has never
been to devalue land or to be against the will of the residents. The plan tries to mitigate lower
density through use of Transfer of Development Rights. Throughout the planning process, there
were no comments against the change of the Trails End corner from commercial to residential.
He would be in favor of reviewing these comments in a workshop.
Commissioner Maefsky proposed that the next step should be to schedule a workshop with the
City Council to work through these conflicting issues.
A workshop date of October 22, 2008 at 6:00 p.m. was selected. Written comments from the
public were encouraged to be submitted by a deadline of October 17 at noon.
Mayor Seefeldt stated that the public had significant opportunity to be involved with the
planning over the past thirteen months. Positive feedback was received along the way.
Councilmember Yehle, seconded by Mayor Seefeldt, moved to adjourn.
The meeting adjourned at 9:32 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Brenda Eklund
Deputy Clerk