3. October 4, 2016 Planning Commission draft minutesOctober 4, 2016
The Scandia Planning Commission held their regular monthly meeting on the above date. The
following were in attendance: Chair Christine Maefsky, Commissioners Walt Anderson, Travis
Loeffler, Tom Noyes and Dan Squyres. Staff present: City Planner Sherri Buss, City
Administrator Neil Soltis, City Attorney Andy Pratt, Deputy Brandon Yetter, and Deputy Clerk
Brenda Eklund. Council member Chris Ness was also in attendance. Chair Maefsky called the
meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA, MINUTES
Chair Maefsky noted that a comparison between the ordinanceS%
Rural Event Facilities and
Special Event Permits would be discussed under 5.a). Squyres, seconded by Loeffler, moved
to approve the agenda as presented. The motion cried 5
Loeffler, seconded by Squyres, moved to app ve the September 6, 2016 meeting minutes
as presented. The motion carried 4-0, wit rson abstaining due to his absence last
month.
SYSTEM AT PID 30.032.19.23.0002 ON 199'" STREET. JON ECKMAN ASID LISA
TOWRY, APPLICANTS (PC RESOLUTION NO. 10-04-16-01)
Planner Buss described the application made by fon Eckman and Lisa Towry for a variance from
the 75' wetland setback to construct a septic system drainfield t ., e a new home they plan to
build on parcel ID 30.032.19.23.0002, a vacant parcel approximatIVI7.2 acres in size located
on the south side of 199th Street. The property has large wetlan�d e�reas and the proposed septic
site is in an area where soils would support the system, approx'lMately 50 feet from the nearest
wetland. Pete Ganzel at Washington County noted that a secondary drainfield area will be
needed as required by the County ordinance, and would need to be near the location of the
primary drainfield based on soil conditions. Buss stated that the secondary drainfield should be
located on the survey and would likely also need a variance from the wetland setback.
The parce limited front n 199th Street, and Buss explained that the applicants will need
to obtain an easement to secure access to A street in order to obtain a driveway permit. Due to
potential wetland and drainage impacts of driveway construction across a ravine, the City
Engineer had specific design requirements for a culvert. Buss recommended the applicant work
with the Engineer and the Watershed District on the sizing and design of the culvert, and obtain
the necessary stormwater and erosion control permits.
Planner Buss concluded by recommending approval of the variance from wetland setback
requirements to construct a new septic system a minimum of 50' from the nearest wetland with
findings and conditions included in a resolution. Findings stated that soils and wetlands on the
property limit locations for a septic system, and other structure setbacks can be met.
Chair Maefsky opened the public hearing at 7:05 p.m.
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Jon Eckman, 15877 Orwell Road, Applicant: Mr. Eckman provided a new survey showing the
location of the secondary drainfield adjacent to the primary septic. Planner Buss confirmed that
this location is also within the setback requirements.
There were no further comments and Chair Maefsky closed the hearing at 7:06 p.m.
Commissioner Squyres asked if there may be any potential damage to the wetlands at the
proposed location. Planner Buss stated that as long as the soils are good the wetlands are not
threatened, and that Washington County ordinance allows for a' setback from wetlands.
Commissioner Noyes asked if the 40' setback from the roadway is normal for septic systems.
Planner Buss explained that 40' is the City's setback fqtall stn s, including septic systems.
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Commissioner Anderson asked about separatio e septic syste the house. Planner
Buss stated that the County will confirm a se on of at least 10'. A istrator Soltis noted
that staff will get a second look at the location he septic ermit is b rocessed at the
County.
Noyes, seconded by Loeffler, moved to recommend t City Council approval of a
Variance for Parcel 30.032.19.23.0002 with findings an ditions in PC Resolution No.
10-04-16-01. The motion carried 5-0. a,�
The recommendatio e variance will go before the..Cit Council at their October 18,
2016 meeting. 440
INTERIM USE PERM D ANNUAL OPERATING PERMIT FOR A RURAL
EVENT FACILITXAT 1 80 SCANDIA TRAIL. CONTINUED. JEFF GACEK.
The public hearing for Gacek's Interim Use Permit application to operate a Rural Event
Facility at 12680 Scandia Trail was held by the Planning Commission on August 2" d. The
applicant was asked to provide additional information on traffic analysis, screening, landscaping
and sound. Pla Buss stated that Mr. Gacek provided a traffic study, a revised landscape
plan, a lot line add ent proposal and additional details regarding the operation of events on his
property.
The revised site plan was fid. A determination from MnDOT ruled that access to the event
center must be from Meadowbrook Avenue only, which the City Engineer noted could
accommodate the traffic level. The grassy parking lot will include 99 parking spaces and meets
the setback requirement of 100 feet from the western boundary of the property. Screening was
added by plantings around the parking lot on the west and north edges.
Buss explained that the septic holding tank will need a County permit. Amplified events will be
held indoors within the barn on the east side of the property. Buss noted that only sounds
associated with the ceremony may be amplified outdoors. Mr. Gacek provided a lot line
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adjustment proposal that will locate the property line 70 feet further to the east of the large barn
to meet the 100 -foot setback requirement.
Buss presented details of the traffic study which was based on a maximum of 150 people at an
event (75 cars) at peak hours. Based on this, Buss stated that a condition to limit a maximum of
150 people at an event will be part of the permit. Further, MnDOT recommended that the city
monitor traffic conditions at the TH 97/ Meadowbrook intersection, and implement
improvements such as temporary signage, avoid peak traffic periods, or provide traffic control by
police if necessary.
Buss summarized the planner's report which recommended approval of the operation of a Rural
Event Facility with 28 conditions. Conditions included a maxi of 75 events per year, the
City Engineer must approve the final plan for the driveway, a fin dscape plan to show
number, species, spacing and size at planting, #- that doors and wi s be closed while sound
amplification is occurring.
Buss clarified the comments regarding a left turn eon TH 97. Although%nDOT's
ineer noted
that traffic levels warrant a left turn,lane based on MiOT's volume threshoreply
that at service level "A" of this intersection no turn lane is needed. A condition to monitor the
intersection was included in the permit and improvements would be implemented as needed.
Buss explained that MnDOT is the road authority here and a fina etermination on traffic
control must be done through their agency
Chair Maefsky detailed her concerns regardiri the operation he rural event center. She
stated that the intent of the ordinance is to prov he rural event facility to be an accessory use
to a property that is primarily agricultur and th eration seems to have an event center as the
primary use and the residence as sero arm uss read from the ordinance that REF are
permitted in AG Core and GR districts, an cessory uses to the primary use of the
property f agriculture o� a single-family reside There is a house on the property which
must be ied. It was noted that the acreage outside of the homestead is being farmed.
Maefsky sai is another example of an`prdinance not well designed that needs further
review, simila a solar ordinance that was recently amended.
Chair Maefsky state a concerns about traffic and the limited visibility due to a crest on TH 97,
the view of the parking lot, that the number of events should be limited to no more than 40 in the
first year, and that the app1W is initiating events in an agriculture/residential area. Maefsky
said that the Commissioners have an obligation to put conditions on the permit that help the
community at large.
Chair Maefsky led a discussion on a comparison she made of the Special Event Permit ordinance
and the Rural Event Facility ordinance to address requirements for security, insurance, limits on
events and notifications. Planner Buss explained that the ordinances are for different purposes.
Special Event Permits are not part of planning and zoning, but for occasional events generally
run by non -profits, and insurance requirements are needed to protect the city when held on city
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property. It did open a discussion about adding a requirement for security to be present when
alcohol is served at the Rural Event Facility.
Further discussion concluded that the approvals for the Interim Use Permit and the Annual
Operating Permit should be separate documents. Conditions related to the ordinance language
would be written into the IUP, and the conditions that apply to operations which can be revised
each year during the annual review, such as number of yearly events allowed, would be detailed
in the AOP.
Commissioner Anderson stated that he did a site visit and measured the decibel level outside
while 100 decibel music was playing in the barn. He measured approximately 50 decibels near
TH 97, and picked up over 60 decibels from the highway traffi he Commissioners were in
consensus to remove language that doors and openings must be c while sound amplification
is occurring. All sounds associated with the events must meet State and the City's Noise
Ordinance No. 65. Removal of Condition #19 was agreed upon (contr sound between 10
p.m. and 7 a.m) as events must end by 10 p.m. and may not st before 9
The Commissioners discussed MnI�6 T's recommenion to onitor traffic i is at the
intersection of TH 97 and Meadowbrook, written as Condition #13 in the staff report. It was
determined that data collection in the first year will have Gacek notifying the City when events
with over 100 attendants are scheduled so that the Deputy can observe traffic flow. At least 3
events at various times of tl drday/week must be monitored. If conditions warrant, MnDOT
would determine the improvements that are needed. Buss explained that only MnDOT can
permit signage or turn lanes on this state highway. If improvements to Meadowbrook are
needed, the City Engineer would be the authority.
Steve Nippi, a member of the Planning Commission at the time the Rural Event Facility
ordina ce was adopted, addressed the Commissioners and agreed with Chair Maefsky's
recolltion that the spirit of the ordinance was to -allow a REF to operate as an accessory use to
agriculture as a way to allow a supple tal stream of income to farmers who wish to hold
events in the'` rns. He said this prop rns an accessory use on its head. Philippi asked the
Commissioner pathize with the neig bors and consider how they would like this operation
to be next door to house. Commissioner Squyres said that Scandia is agricultural in nature,
but a vast majority o s are falling down unless owners find a creative way to use them.
Philippi replied that it is admirable to save a barn, but he has difficulty with turning agricultural
properties into a business use in a residential area. Philippi said that he voted against the
ordinance because he thought it was too much too soon.
Tim Husnik, 21460 Meadowbrook Avenue, thought that the additional information provided by
the applicant resulted in a change to the application, which would require a new public hearing
process. City Attorney Pratt explained that the permit review can be continued under the initial
application, and that the applicant is providing the additional material as requested. Planner Buss
added that accepting additional information isn't defined as a new application, and the review
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period can be as long as 120 days. A discussion of sound measurement concluded that state
statute levels are assumed in the City's noise ordinance.
Bruce Swenson, 22161 Oldfield Avenue, stated that the applicant immensely improved a
property that was run down. The property is an example of rural character and an asset to the
community. He said that the impact on the neighbors would be much greater if there was a
livestock operation with odors and smells, or a corn drier with noise, in that location. He
recommended the Commissioners approve the permit with limitations as applicable and let the
Gaceks be part of the community. A*
Joanne Benick, 12400 213th Street, stated that the Rural Event Facility will negatively impact
their property values, and asked if the property would oned ommercial if approved. She
said the parking lot adjacent to their land would h e 'menta ts, especially when they
decide to develop the land as building lots. Be
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phot views from adjacent
properties.
Curtis Peterson, 21617 Meadowbrook Avenue, sta'Td his concern about traMeadowbrook
and noted that it is a narrow road not capable of hand*g two-way traffic at its foot width.
He said this is a safety concern and a huge risk because the road cannot handle the additional
traffic.
Julie Ruddy, 21020 Meadowbrook Avenu Naidtheraffic risk is ablic safety issue that will
affect everyone who travels on TH 97 and Meadowbrook Avenue. She noted the crest on TH 97
was mentioned in MnDOT's letter as a concern and asked how many accidents, injuries and
fatalities need to be collected as evidence that the facility will have impacts at a dangerous level.
Ruddy stated that allowing this to operate will force• he neighborhood to become their own
police enforcement.
Tiffany Borsheim, 2101G1eado k Circle,Wd that adding traffic to TH 97 on Friday
afternoons when students are exiting of busses at 4 p.m. is very dangerous and stated that the
use is settingstage for a tragic acci
Jeff Gacek, appliCWt 12680 Scandia Trail, stated that he would like to address the claims
being made about hilWlication that are blatantly false made to scare people and that the
Commissioners should make a decision based on facts alone. Gacek said he shared his plans to
hold events at the farm early ofii and waited for the City to make a determination on defining the
use as Agritourism or a Rural Event Facility. Once the Agritourism use was determined to not
be applicable, he submitted his application in June for a Rural Event Facility to hold small
weddings, marriage retreats and worship events in the restored barn. His application has always
been for a maximum of 150 attendees, at approximately 35-75 events per year. He said if
Meadowbrook needs to be widened, that is a City decision, and at this time the Engineer has not
recommended any modification to the street. Concerning the intersection, the traffic study
provided an "A" rating and it's MnDOT's requirement that all traffic enter on Meadowbrook
Avenue. The parking lot will be screened to look like a farm -like shelterbelt, with a slanted
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approach to Meadowbrook with left -turn only signage to minimize traffic turning north on
Meadowbrook. The barn has been soundproofed with 3 layers of shingles and thick flooring in
the hay loft to minimize sound traveling beyond the parking lot even with all doors and windows
open, a distance of approximately 500 feet. He provided a diagram to show the nearest homes
are over 1,000 feet away. He explained that all events will be required to use the sound system
which makes use of a decibel limiter to maintain sounds below the allowed limit. Gacek
provided a nighttime photo of the lighting, and explained that the lights produce no more glare at
his northern property line than homes that are another 1,000 feet beyond his building.
Gacek went on to state that the farmhouse is being renovated,to his family's primary,
residence as part of the restoration of the century farm. He is not planning any events that will
have overnight stays by guests. If alcohol is served, it will be by a licensed and insured vendor
and he will employ an off-duty deputy to provide security. Gacek explained his action to restore
the century farm is preserving rural character. Hayloft barns are be.. ing obsolete and if not
saved, the landscape in rural areas is changed forever. He plans to e the facility in a
responsible manner that will benefit the community. In addressing Ch aefsky's
recommendation to limit the number of events in the first year o no more 40, Gacek stated
that would be too limiting. He needs to recover his investment, and as there e no charge
for the 25 worship services planne would allow him with no more than 1 edding events.
OhlThe Commissioners began a lengthy s on on the corns for approval, and as previously
discussed were in consensus to approve two separate documents'-, the Interim Use Permit and
the Annual Operating Permit. Planner Buss separated out the conditions from the staff report
that would apply to the AOP as part of Condition #1, #2, #6-9, #11-13, #15, #21 (a maximum of
75 events allowed the first year), #24 and #26. A condition was added to require notification to
the City of events with at least 100 attendees, with at least one Friday event, so that traffic
monitoring maybe completed. A condi; ' n to require security staff to be present when alcohol is
served was added to the IU
Squy s, seconded bcerson, ed to rec mend to the City Council approval to
Gacek's application for an Interim Permit and an Annual Operating Permit for a
Rural Event Facility at 12680 Sc
andi it North, with conditions as recommended above.
Chair Maefsky said that she has serious concerns with traffic at the intersection based on her
reality versus an objective traffic study. Commissioner Loeffler said that traffic concerns can be
addressed with results of the regttired monitoring. Planner Buss explained that if there are traffic
problems, discussions with MnDOT would start right away and not delayed until the AOP
review. Loeffler stated that it is a beautiful farm that he would be happy to look at every day.
Chair Maefsky called for a vote on the above motion. The motion carried 5-0.
The recommendation to approve the permits will go before the City Council at their October 18,
2016 meeting.
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DISCUSSION ON PROPOSED ORDINANCE NO. 178: AMENDING THE
DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING EXTERIOR STORAGE AND PARKING
The Planning Commission continued the discussion from last month on amending the
development code related to exterior storage and parking of vehicles. Photos of many properties
in Scandia were provided by staff and Deputy Yetter showing violations of the current code to
show the complexity of defining appropriate storage areas on varying properties, especially those
on lakeshore. Deputy Yetter asked for more clear language to address parking recreational
vehicles between the house and the road, and to better define licensed vehicles.
Richard Keeney. 19727 Parkview Avenue, was present to ex is situation with storing a
boat in his front driveway and the number of vehicles his of five need to park on the
property.
Planner Buss provided a draft ordinance that incl mended tions of front yard and
clarified abandoned and unlicensed vehicles, a or number an tion for storage of
recreational vehicles based on parcel size, an ormance standards ring large
recreational vehicles. The Commissioners wer d to thinlabout set
cks and screening for
further discussion next month.
Chair Maefsky recommended a review of the Rural Evi
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meeting. The motion carried 5-0.