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3. 5 2 Additional Comments received after 04 25 public comment sessionScandia website From: Kristin Tuenge <ketuenge50@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 2:26 PM To: mail@ci.scandia.mn.us Subject: Log House Landing I just watched a very wide large boat with a windshield and a 200 HP motor go down to launch at Log House Landing. Most of the boats I see go down there are much larger than the old 17' fishing boats. As long as the landing stays open, we will continue to see that overuse/abuse of the little landing site. The NPS intended the little site to be carry -in only, the DNR has stated carry -in only on their website. The family that donated the property and own half of the landing requested that Scandia create a small park. As long as that landing, especially as an official boat launch with a concrete ramp is kept open by Scandia the problem with erosion and abuse of the site will occur. I hope that Scandia will take their responsibility to help protect this "Wild and Scenic River" seriously and follow the original values and guidelines set forth by the Lower St. Croix Management plan and the National Park Service. Thank you for hearing my plea. Kristin Tuenge 651-433-3763 Scandia website From: Terry Saario <terry@greenrox.me> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 3:27 PM To: mail@ci.scandia.mn.us Subject: Log House landing To Scandia City Council: I oppose the construction of a oversized and scenically inconsistent concrete ramp for access to the St. Croix river at Log House landing. Such a ramp would encourage the use of larger boats that are inconsistent with the wild and scenic river designation given to the St. Croix. Morever, there are no proposals for checking for milfoil or zebra mussels which larger boats could bring to the river. I believe that the "do nothing" option is probably the best for now, recognizing that at some future date additional plans to prevent erosion and maintain the access will be necessary. My husband and I own a cabin on the St. Croix and pay real estate taxes on this property. In this instance, I would like my voice to be heard. Thank you. Terry Saario, 19803 Quinnell Ave. North, Scandia. My new e-mail is: terry@greenrox.me Scandia website From: Craig Christensen <lcl333@frontiernet.net> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 5:11 PM To: mail@ci.scandia.mn.us Cc: Lisa Schlingerman Subject: Log House Landing boat ramp improvements Dear member of Scandia City Council, I believe the best decision for any improvements to made to the Log House Landing boat ramp would be to designate it as a cary in access, option # 3. My family owns a small section of river front property a short distance upstream from the landing ramp. Access to the waterline is down a steep grade very similar to that of the boat ramp. Every year the river erodes this section of river bank more and more. To leave the boat ramp as is would be to watch it deterirote, eventually being of use to no one. The proposal to concrete the ramp is totally inappropriate for this particular settiing and as a Scandia taxpayer I consider it to be fiscally irresponsible. Thank you for yopur consideration, Craig Christensen 20661 Quint Ave. N Scvandia, MN 651-433-5498 Scandia website From: Dana Wilde <danawilde@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 8:20 AM To: mail@ci.scandia.mn.us Subject: Supporting the Carry -In Option I was not able to attend the public hearing the other night due to work, but I wanted to write in support of the carry -in option._I lived in Scandia for many years and now currently live in Marine on Saint Croix. My hope is that the Council will realize that we need more champions for the land, for nature, and for preservation. People like John Muir are the visionaries who have made this country great and my hope is that there are also visionary members of the council who will follow in his footsteps. Please write back if you have any questions, but more importantly, please support the carry -in option. All the best, Dana Wilde 17790 Saint Croix Trail No, Marine on Saint Croix, MN 55047 Scandia website From: Julie Kilpatrick <jkilpatrick@me.com> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 9:52 PM To: mail@ci.scandia.mn.us Subject: LHL I support the carry -in option for Log House Landing. I use the landing, am a member of the St. Croix River Assn and am in training to become a St Croix Master Watershed Steward. This landing is within the city limits and its within a National Park. The NPS, Watershed and River Assn along with concerned citizens have studied this and are in alignment with what is best wind needed for the LHL. A safer boat launch a mile away and other boat launches are available not far away. Thank you. Julie Kilpatrick= Scandia website From: Julie Kilpatrick <jkilpatrick@me.com> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 9:52 PM To: mail@ci.scandia.mn.us Subject: LHL I support the carry -in option for Log House Landing. I use the landing, am a member of the St. Croix River Assn and am in training to become a St Croix Master Watershed Steward. This landing is within the city limits and its within a National Park. The NPS, Watershed and River Assn along with concerned citizens have studied this and are in alignment with what is best wind needed for the LHL. A safer boat launch a mile away and other boat launches are available not far away. Thank you. Julie Kilpatrick= Neil Soltis From: Pam Smith <nwpsmith@cox-internet.com> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 10:08 AM To: n.soltis@ci.scandia.mn.us Cc: c.maefsky@ci.scandia.mn.us Subject: Final Submission of FLHL Petition - Additional Signatures and Comments - From 4/24 - 4/30/17 Attachments: FLHL Petition Signers Additional 20 4-30-2017.pdf, Petitions Comments 4-30-17.pdf Hi Neil, Attached you will find additional FLHL Carry -In petition signatures and comments from late 4/24 through 4/30/17. This will be our final submission prior to Wednesday's meeting. It is my understanding that additional emails regarding LHL will be accepted up until Wednesday. Please add these documents to the meeting materials. In total, the FLHL petition had 409 valid signatures and 182 comments in support of the Carry -In Option. Thank you, Pam Smith Friends of Log House Landing 651-433-5859 Jodie Burt Emily Gordon Paul Rodsjo John Holman Diane Etzwiler Randy Ferrin Marion Etzwiler Patricia Brannan Linda Wheatlake Jimmy Sutton Terry Barczak Nancy Etzwiler Jeni O'Brien Deb Campobasso Joe Brock James Zavoral Cynthia O'Halloran Janie O'Connor Rex Carpenter Patrick Marx Stillwater New Haven Scandia Marine on Saint Croix Eugene Scandia Minneapolis Scandia Denver Pensacola Scandia Stillwater Scandia Scandia Naples - Scandia Saint Paul Scandia Haines City Missoula Minnesota Connecticut Minnesota Minnesota Oregon Minnesota Minnesota Minnesota Colorado Florida Minnesota Minnesota Minnesota Minnesota Florida Minnesota Minnesota Minnesota Florida Montana 55082 6511 55073 55047 97403 55073 55403 55073 80233 32514 55073 55082 55073 55073 34119 55073 55116 55073 33844 59808 4/24/2017 4/25/2017 4/25/2017 4/25/2017 4/25/2017 4/25/2017 4/25/2017 4/25/2017 4/25/2017 4/25/2017 4/25/2017 4/26/2017 4/26/2017 4/26/2017 4/27/2017 4/27/2017 4/28/2017 4/28/2017 4/29/2017 4/29/2017 Supporting Carry -in: Additional Comments Received 4/24/17 - 4/29/17 Name Location Date Comment Jodie Burt Stillwater MN 4/24/2017 1 wanted to express my concern about adding a large concrete ramp expansion at Log House Landing (LHL). As someone that uses that landing nearly weekly, I strongly oppose this option. I do however; support the Carry -In Option as it is the best option that would preserve this very special rustic river access. 1 love this beautiful place! Emily Gordon Brooklyn NY Marine MN 4/25/2017 John Holman 4/25/2017 Long time river rat and river lover! 1 spent much of my childhood on the St. Croix Diane Etzwiler Eugene OR 4/25/2017 River and I continue to visit it with my family. I hope others recognize that this very special and fragile area is one to protect and not to exploit. Randy Ferrin Scandia MN 4/25/2017 1 believe a carry -in landing best protects the National Wild and Scenic St. Croix River. Marion Etzwiler Minneapolis 4/25/2017 1 owned a home on the St. Croix River for many MN years and believe strongly that we must honor the intent of the Wild Rivers bill to keep all aspects of the river natural and pristine. Linda Wheatlake Marine MN 4/25/2017 We have cabin on the river. 16969 197th St. North, Marine, MN Jimmy Sutton Pensacola FL 4/25/2017 Cause I'm number 400. We need to preserve and protect this beautiful Terry Barczak Scandia MN 4/25/2017 spot on the river. Other excellent launch sites for trailers are nearby. 1 regularly use the Log House landing for kayaking Deb Campobasso Scandia MN 4/26/2017 4/28/2017 & love the quaint, original character. We strongly support the carry -on plan for the Log John and Cynthia Scandia MN O'Halloran House Landing. Patrick Marx Missoula MT 4/29/2017 4/29/2017 Too precious to turn into modern... Please keep the landing simple and rustic. Most Ann Bancroft Scandia MN times I am there, children are wading in the water exploring the muscles or looking for rocks and swimming. Dogs up to their bellies cooling off on a hot summer evening. People - strangers pulling in or out converse because of the intimacy and simplicity of the current space. This is the character of the river and its magic. Scandia website From: radbor@gmail.com on behalf of Bradley Borg <brad@sharedfinancial.com> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 3:17 PM To: Scandia website Subject: Log House Landing Options Honorable Mayor and Councilmembers I am writing to express my support for the "Carry -In" Option at the Log House Landing for the following reasons: 1.) It will be the least expensive over the long-term. 2.) If you endorse this option, there will be no problem raising funds from individuals and organizations for this project. My guess is that it will cost the City very little if this choice is made. 3.) The vast majority of Scandia Residents at the meeting on Tues April 25th were in support of the Carry -In Option. 4.) There are two excellent landings within a short distance for those who want to launch larger boats The only other likely option is the "Leave it the way it is". This kicks the can down the road but it does not solve the issue. I know most, if not all of you, are sick of discussing this issue. If you vote for the "Leave it the way it is" option, you will be discussing it again at some point in the future. Please vote for the "Carry In" option as it is the right thing for the preservation of this beautiful and historic site. And it will end this debate once and for all. You will be doing a wonderful thing for all of our grandchildren by preserving this uniquely Scandia site. Thank you for your time and dedication to our City! Brad Borg 19609 Oxboro Circle North Bradley J. Borg, EA office 651-486-9835 fax 651-846-5040 This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient and may contain confidential or privileged information. Ifyou are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and immediately delete this message and am attachments. Thank.1,011- Neil Soltis From: Pamela Arnold <pam@salt-n-pepper-farm.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:29 AM To: Neil Soltis; Christine Maefsky Subject: Follow-up: Log House Attachments: Log House Landing -Pam Arnold.docx; Untitled attachment 00069.htm Please accept the enclosed letter, as a follow-up to my statement made on March 25th, 2017. 2 May, 2017 To: City of Scandia City Council Re: Log House Landing To Scandia's City Council: Thank you for hearing from the many constituents who feel strongly about the fate of Log House Landing. Since the public forum on March 25th I have thought about my intention to support the canoe carry/walk-in option. While I listened to the many perspectives that you also heard, I realized that all of us may have been asking for a similar solution... even while we communicated our preferences for one option or the other. I wonder what you, our representatives, heard? Here's what I heard. I heard passion for the freedom to recreate on a beautiful, wild and scenic river —a National Park that we all feel personally connected to. I heard that many many locals prefer to enter the park from Log House vs. any other option, for many reasons. What rang loudly, "leave Log House Landing the way it is". The opportunity for the City of Scandia regarding the future of Log House Landing includes our role as fellow stewards of the St Croix National Wild and Scenic River, as good neighbors to the private landholders who must be responsible environmentalists by law (we must abide by the rules concerning easement setbacks, building restrictions, and environmental stewardship), and to the many interests among all citizens who share ownership of the river. We should include the National Park Service, and other authorities in our decision-making as well, whose position is unbiased and de facto responsible for the health and longevity of the River ecology. Log House Landing, as I understand it, was dedicated to the township of Scandia as a public park and canoe put -in by a private landowner. That was 100 years ago, hard to believe. Use of the landing has changed with the times, but the size and fragility of this site has bowed to the demands, and it is showing its limits and fragility. The modesty of this lovely place is testimony to the vision the National Scenic River in the first place. "Minnesota's Wild & Scenic Rivers Act: Enacted by the Minnesota State Legislature in 1973 to create a statewide system to preserve and protect rivers in Minnesota with outstanding natural, scenic, scientific, historic, cultural, and recreational values." There are many access places for large and small trailered boats up and down the river. If those sites are inadequate due to river depths, inconvenience, etc. that is unfortunate but those issues should be addressed by those landings. The burden to accommodate larger boats should not be added to the role of Log House Landing. The National Park Service seems to agree. We too must agree to preserve and protect, while supporting the river's recreational values. Just as my property is not appropriate for a commercial site, it is much for valuable and appropriate as a farm preserve, Log House is not appropriate as a marina. Let's agree to nurture Log House Landing to be the place it is. It will serve all of us to its capacity. The River offers us so much, it is up to us to support its capacity as well as its limitations, to preserve and protect it where and when we can. I hope that more private landowners dedicate some of their property to public use in the future. Scandia has an opportunity to share in both this opportunity as fellow stewards, as well as visionaries. This requires discipline, and thoughtful citizenship. The River asks us to represent the river. Thank you so much for your consideration of my thoughts. —Pam Arnold, Salt -n -Pepper Farm, LLC. Scandia Neil Soltis From: Scott Westphal <Scott.Westphal@elimscandia.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 11:36 AM To: n.soltis@ci.scandia.mn.us Subject: Log house landing Dear Scandia City Council and Mayor Maefsky, I write regarding the Log House Landing proposal. First, I thank you for the very helpful meeting last week, April 25. It feels good to have the community and the leadership come together to have good, respectful communication about issues many folks have a great passion for. I live at 20685 Quinnell Avenue. My property abuts the railroad tracks so I am only 1000 feet or so from the landing. I walk there almost daily and love the natural scenery and every once in a while I get to meet folks using the landing. My own non-scientific survey shows that the big rigs that chew up the landing show up mostly only on the weekends. Otherwise it is a very quiet place. I support the option to restrict the landing to carry -in only and to do some restorative work to shore up the damage done by the rigs and to mitigate erosion. As many speakers said on the 25th, and as you all know, there are other options for the big rigs to access the water very close by (William O'Brien being less than two miles away). So restricting access at the Log House Landing is not a hardship for boaters. It just isn't. The biggest concern from the boaters I heard is that they may have to wait their turn to launch a few minutes longer at those other sites if the Log House Landing isn't available to take the pressure off of Osceola or Franconia or William O'Brien or Marine or any of the sites on the other side of the river. That doesn't seem a good enough reason to have the city of Scandia lay out the cost of development and maintenance of a concrete ramp. I believe repairing and restoring the ramp to a more scenic and natural state and restricting the access to carry in only will allow Scandia to be hospitable and maintain the unique quality of Scandia to many, many people. Perhaps better signage could also be employed (I've been stopped to give directions to the ramp to confused visitors more than once). By the way, I think the more natural solution to the long driveway down to the ramp seems to have successfully met the goal of reducing big washout ruts. As I wrote, I walk there almost daily and that driveway has never looked better after all the rainfall and snow melt than it looks since the grading and materiel was adjusted. I summary: I encourage the Council to change the access to carry in only and to do the necessary work to fix the rutted and precarious situation there now. Thank you, Scott T. Westphal 20685 Quinnell Avenue N. Scandia, MN 55073 651-433-2722 (H) 651-433-2723 (W) Neil Soltis From: Stephen Bubul <sjbubul@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 12:04 PM To: n.soltis@ci.scandia.mn.us Cc: c.maefsky@ci.scandia.mn.us Subject: Log House Landing Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I now represent Ed and Judy Summersby (on a pro bono basis) in connection with the property ownership matter at the access ramp. (This is in addition to my ongoing work with the Friends of Log House Landing.) I will be at the May 3 council meeting; and before then, you and/or City Attorney Andy Pratt should feel free to contact me if you have questions or comments about this topic. Regards, Stephen Bubul 612-597-3876 I Neil Soltis From: Pam Smith <nwpsmith@cox-internet.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 3:57 PM To: n.soltis@ci.scandia.mn.us; mail@ci.scandia.mn.us Cc: c.maefsky@ci.scandia.mn.us Subject: Log House Landing Public Input Summary Attachments: Public Input Summary 4-28-17.docx Hello Neil, I have attached a Public Input Summary based on Public Hearing speakers and the emails posted in meeting material. I know that public input is just one of the many factors that the Council will need to consider in making their decision about the Log House Landing ramp access, but I thought that quantifying the comments could be useful. Please add to the packet. Thanks much, Pam Plowman Smith 651-433-5859 Log House Landing Public Input as of 4-28-17 Percentages Based on Speakers and Emails: 67% Carry -In Access 20% Leave As Is 12% Build Concrete Ramp <1% Close ri Speakers Emails Totals Blended Totals* Clear Choice Option 1- Leave 11 0 11 23(11+12) Option 2 - Build 7 3 10 14(10+4) Option 3- Carry -in 31 39 70 77(70+7) Option 4— Close 0 0 0 1(0+1) Totals 49 42 91 115 Either / Or Option 1 or 2 3 1 4 Option 1 or 3 4 3 7 Option 1 or 4 1 1 Totals 56 47 103 *Blended Totals -115 is the blended total of clear choice responses plus all the either/or additions NOTES: Duplicates — 7 duplicate letters and speakers (did not duplicate in the count and only showed these 7 under Speakers column) No Option Indicated - 2 letters said no to concrete, but did not select option (not included in count) No to concrete — Did not tally for speakers, but over 70% of the letter writers specified no developed ramp, regardless of option selected. Petitions: Percentages for comments on the two petitions are very similar to speaker and email responses. Carry -In: 409 signers and 182 comments Leave as is: 276 signers and 82 comments