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Excerpt of Agenda Item to Discuss Recreation Programs . , . � May 1, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 1 of 17 Excerpt of agenda item to discuss recreation programs. Transcribed from audio file. • Members present: Deb Campobasso, Ron Couture,Jan Hogle, Gary Hogle, Sarah Kilgriff, Karen Schik, Dan Skupian,Dave Smith Guests: Marty McKelvey, Susan Gillson,John Elholm (Washington County) _ _ , __ Min:Sec � Speaker Content __._-_ _.. . ; _ _ . . _.._.__. _____. . __..._ . .... ..,_._ ___..��_ -. � � _ __..... � 00.00 (14:05) (Several) (Several c onversations as Marty and Susan enter the room) _ __ _ __ _ ._ ...... _ _ . ; ' 00:32 Deb ; You have all received the,well let me, let me back up. Sarah and I ' �� and Dave... � _� _ _ _ _____.. � (Background, Susan spelling her name for the minutes) � .§ ____. ; ..._..._ _...... ........___ ..,........_. .........__._ _..._.. .... ................._.., _.... ...._._.........._.._.-� ........,__,_., -......_._. ...._., ... ......... _.._.._._.__ .... ....... ..........._ ` � Deb .had...Is that it?The three of us had a...Oh, and Gary. I'm sorry. ____�. _ ...___ �__.. �..._. _ , ___ _ .. .__ _. . ...... __ __ , Gary No,just us three. Dave wasn't there. _ .... __ p __ _ _ _ _ j Deb Oh, Dave couldn't make it. That's right. Okay. It was us three. Sarah i ;, and Gary and I. We had a quick—very productive, I thought-30 ' minute brainstorm session on the Park&Rec programs that we were � looking for, for this summer. We had also met...I had met with Adam ; _ ; Rushanko,Nicole Hyak, and Randy Bildeux as part of the Recreation ! � Subcommittee about a month ago and they also had come up with ; ideas. We passed those on to Marty and she's come back with the � proposaL I think you've all seen what Sarah and Gary and I sent out. , You've all seen what Marty had brought forward. And I know some ' ' of you sent back some feedback. So today,what our primary goal is ; � , to send forward to the town board a recommendation on the specific � � ; program that Marry sent out on Thursday. So, if anybody has any �� ' ' questions for Marty, based on what you've read, that would be � � � �� appropriate now and then if you have anything that you need to add ? = to what was sent out you could make comments on what you might � = have to add. We have about 10 minutes. � _ _ ,. _ _ _... _ ' 02:13 , Karen Um, so is, Sue?Is that your name? _ _ _.._._ _. _._._._.. . _.. .._._ Susan Susan Gillson. _ _ __ __ � ; Karen Susan... _ _. _...... . 3....__ _ �. ..._.. � ..__.._. �_..._ . ` Marty ; (Interrupting) Uh, I'm Marty McKelvey, and this is Sue Gillson and ` ; ; we don't know your names at all __� �__ -- ---� ______ u_____ -,--- ___. _ m_ __-- _ _ _.___... ; (Several) (Comments about making introductions.) Jan � �Let's do some introductions. Do you want to start?Dave? �� i ____ __._._______.__._ __.__�..__... .... � ___�_�__._� _ ___.�. _. . ... �_. ? Dave � Yeah.Fine. We.. we've met. Dave Smith. � __._ . ..._��. ......._ _�. .._ ____ ..._.._� _. . ._._ __ .__....____ _ ___� ......._._ __�_.. ��.�..�..._......�.__...._��__.� � Marty Yup. � : ' �� __..._____._�. �� Jan She�knows De._.._. ..__ .... ...._._._.._�...__ _. .�.�,_.._____. _ _ _ _ _...__._ b and Ja... .._�__ . .. .,._ _.. .._ ____... _.....___............. ..... .. ..... ............r �___-__..._..��_ . ._..�_ __..__� ' Deb You know me... ___________........_._�__ �_ � �_. __�..._. ___.......�. . _. .._�. _.__ _.__ ...........___�. ..____.._..__._�_._�___.,.. ___._.__._ �__._.� � Jan Do you know me?Jan Hogle... __� __.__ � _____.._ Susan � � � Yeah, I ve met y_ .__ ___ �,.___.___ _...__ ._,...._ _____.._ _..._...__ _��__.: ' ou. _ __ _.__..___ _ �__ -- — ______ .....__... . ..___.__.. _,_. __ _. ______ ._�_ ... _ � ; Jan And Deb. _ . _ , ___ _�.�.... __ _._ _.._ ___. . _..�____ ..___..._ _ _. _ _ _......��._�___�_�____� �� Susan Yup. ; May 1, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 2 of 17 _ _ _ . _ _ , Karen I'm Karen Schick. ' � __: Susan ` Susan Gillson. • _ _ ; _ _ __ __ _" , Ron Ron Couture. ' _ __._.__. _ __. _ __-� . ,....._.. __ _ , � Dan : Dan Skupien. � __..... ...._......... .......... 4 ......... ................_ .,........ ; ......... ......._... .. ...........,,.. .......... ......... ................... .. ............. ................ ......... .......... .. ................i. Gary � Gary Hogle. ; _ _ _ __ _� `': Sarah ' Sarah Kilgriff. _ ......_ _ __ _ _ _.... _... _ _; `; Karen ' And, so, Susan, are you assisting with Marty or here just out of ' ': interest... �____ _._ �.. __ ,— . . , __—_........ ... . . .. . . __ . .. ... ,_�._. _ . ___ _ _._.�__...._,.. _ _. _ ; Susan I (long pause)...Yeah, I guess. Little of both? It's something in there ' somewhere. � �__.__. . . . _ __._ _ti.___ _ _ __ _._... � � �.. _. _._ _ _ ___.... � ; ? Marty Yeah. Absolutely. ' i �....,_..� ..... . __ ......_. T . . _ .__....,�._ �__._...... .......�. -.... ...,_�_....._.. ...._�... ........_._�_._.._�..,�._......... .....---'_ 03:03 Marty/Susan (speaking over each other) ' � ._. .�_�. _ --- __ _ ____....._r__ —_ _ ___ ____ __.__ .._....._____ __ __.._._� ` Karen I was just wondering... � ;.�.�.. . �_. ; Susan ', Yeah, I had an interest in being on the subcommittee but that was ' ' kinda... __.____ _ ______ _ .... _. _ _,_ _ ...._... .. . . ___.......� __. ____: (Several) (Speaking over each other) _ _ . _, ; Deb Okey-doke. Did you have anything that you wanted to add to the, j ' what was sent out .. (unintelligible) ; _._ _. _ _ _....... __ . Marty ', (Talking over Deb)...Did everyone get my, uh, I was. _ a _ ____ __ = Deb , (To Dan) Did you get it, in the...? • _ _ __ __.,_ __ _� ; Dan Yeah, I did ; , _ _ _ ; ; Deb ; Dan didn't get it from you but we forwarded it to him. , ___.. a __ _ ___� ' 03:28 ' Marty ' Yeah.No, it was, uh, I need to get your new email address, if you 3 will,Dan, so I... ? .. ...._... .._...... ......... ..i........... ....__._. ......... _ ........ ......... ........ ._..... ......... ......... .............. .....___... ._.,,,_,,,.,-d .-.... .�............. ................. i Dan Mmmhmmm. _ :___ __ _ _ __.... __ _.. _;. ' Jan Should we just send her a corrected email list? ; ........ � ....... . _ _. ; Deb �� Well...(unintelligible) � �.._ _____.... <_.__. __.. __..... .__ �.....__. ..._. ____ .._� Marty ; (Talking over Deb) ...I have, if everyone has gotten their email. ; � –___ _._._. _ _ �_ _. _.... .. �__.._ _.. ._ ._..__ __._, _... Dan That's right. [Referring to his email address] _. _.._ __ .... ; ; Marty ; Is there members of this committee that aren't here today? _ _ _ _ ;. ` Jan ' Lori, uh, is not with us, uh, because she's no longer with the ! committee,but...this is it. _ __ , ; Deb ��, Yup. �....___ .. ..__.__�_._..... ._...�_.� ._ �_ __ .. ........ . .. ....� __._..._.�. .._.__�_ _......_ __ _._. . _..__�_ �..._�_ _..._.._. ..._..._______� � (unidentifiable) ''�� (unintelligible) j ,._._._ _ ' _ __.. _ _.... _ _.... Marty '' Um. Well, I don't know if you have...I guess Debi sent back some ? ' ; major concerns or comments that people had, and umm, I guess I � don't know if I have to address those or not bef..just to...I don't know ; what dialog you've had cuz none of you have talked to me directly except for Debi and it's been in response to some of the emails that • I've sent about the program and about what we'd like to continue to ', 04:33 do with the kids in Scandia and the surrounding area. So, I feel, in a ' sense that I don't know if everyone's aware that I've been hired by the ; . _ May 1, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 3 of 17 _ _.... __ __ ; town board as a park coardinator to have, uh, the chance to do a six- ' ' month binge, if you will, and, and have family programming but also ; • being that the immediate need is right now is to have kids be involved in some program after schools have let out. So what we've come up with is different than what we had last year and it may have ; thrown everybody a curve ball. I'm not sure cuz the dialog just hasn't '' been there with people ??and I, I had been just hired two weeks ago and it's a 20 hour position. So, in keeping that in mind, Pve tried to , move as fast as I can in getting some of these programs as a merger, 05:30 ' is, is what came out involved with it, because the proposal that I had ' submitted to the town board back in late October was in favor of ' , supporting that kind of program. And then when I was hired, it was , , re-enterated(sic)that those kind of programs were going to be acceptable to their needs of what they wanted to do in this position as '. '' coordinator. So,that's where that went. ___ __ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _...� „ Dan , They? ' - .._. .... .. _. __ . �... ._ ... _ _ . Marty The town board. � ._. ;..... __ , _ _ _ _ ' Dan ', Oh, really?Okay. __... _ . _ _ _ �ia ► L.can...Marty, when you say "those programs," you mean the �-� programs you presented in the proposal� Or, what did you . ; __.__ _ a _ , ; Marty I didn't present any programs in the proposal. , i _-__..,. ..___�._�,�^� _. �_..__ . _ _ �______ __�.. __�__... ._._._...._. � ( [a�i But you�keep referring to "those programs." I was wondering what '�'� you were referring ta ............ ....__,......_ . .........._._ „d...._...... ......__ ...__...... .. ........... __... ._.._..._,... .___. .____. ._.._.. ._.__ .___. ..__..... .._.._..__._ ' , Marty The merging. .� _ . . Jan The merging� � � � � � ��Nlarty�� The merge...resources that we have in our�community to offer � programming for kids and, hopefully, family members Okay� _ . __.... _ _ � � ... . ,._. _. ; an I was...but,well...you keep referring to the programs that you thought , � , were acceptable but Pm wondering what programs you were talking about. Cuz Pm not following. �. �. � e_..._ _ ._.._ . . _ _. _� . ._.._ .._. _�� _. . .. �� mm Deb I thmk...are you saying,just the concept of inerging everything together? Marty Yeah. __ _ _ __ _; , Deb Just the concept... �.__ _ ___... ... ..._ � _ .__� . . .._ �__ _ __ .-___ __. ..._. .... _.__ ___�__ . . . _.m _ _. .._... ` Marty Offer programs. _.... _ _ _ _ _� ` L�?eb ...of inerging Consolidating is the word that she used in November ; . �� _..._ _.. ___ _ _ __ __�.__.. : �Jap� Consolidate...i'm still...I'm sorry to be so thick, but I...I'm not sure �-1 what ou're sa in when ou're... ___ Y _ _ Y $ Y __ _.... _ : Deb , Well, basically, doing away with the Sparks program and the Blast , program as independent programs and merging everything together. _ _ __ _ _ _ Jan ' And merging all of that. ' ;........ _ __. _.. _ ' Deb Right. __ . . _ __ _�__ _ �_ �� ._._. ____. ._ _ : _�... ._....____ ° Jan Okay. Pm sorry. That just wasn't... i • _ ;. _ __ __ y __.__ , 07:00 : Deb Same discussion we've had the last three ears. _ , _... _. __ Jan Okay. __ _: May 1, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 4 of 17 _ _ _ _ ', Deb ' Any other questions for Marly?Now, do you have anything that has ' , transformed since Thursday? You had mentioned that you might, you • ; had more meetings coming up Friday and that you might have more I to add to that? __... . . ...... ... _ _ . . - ._..__ �..... , _ _._.__. _. .__ ....___ _ Marty Did anybody get a chance to look at the email today that I...I think that's where we're at, as far as the questions that the programs that, : umm... ' _.__ __ �� _.__._ _ , r _ _ _ _. _ _. _. . , .. __ _ _. _ _ _.._,__ _......_. . ...._ -, _ Deb You sent out an email today? _ _ _ �.___� � Marty ...you have at your disposal now. Do you, You don't...no one's ever � reviewed what happened today 11� _____..__ _..� � ______ ..____ .� _._ _, _ .___ _ ____. ___. ....___ �_ __.__.._-- � Karen I didn't see anything today. � ��__._. �_ ,„ .. _ ___ . . . _______ _____ ______,_�__ _.�___.�; � (Several) [Comments by several tha t�o emai as received] ; __... _.._ _ _ _ - __ _ ____ . _ .....�...__._._.......��._..__� ; , Jan ; I checked my email at 6:30 an ad nothing. ' __.._. . ___ .... . _ ____... _ _. _.._.. __. _. __..._._.__�._.,.,.._3 Marty ' Yeah. Well. j � ;�..__. __. ____. , _- -.. �__..... ___ _ __�__..__ _.._____..____ _ ___W__� Karen Did you bring something with,that you could... ;._� _ . � _.. _ __. �� Nlarty I did, but I, uh, I just had a meeting in there and they got most of my ��, copies I don't have enough copies for ever�body _, - -- _._ ___ ____ ..� .__..__. Karen We can just talk through it. , _ _ _ _ _ __ __ _ _ Marty ', I don't know what, I don't know what kind of capacity you were ' ; , going to have, or what kind of yuestions you have or concerns since ' there hasn't been any dialog, so I don't...do I have to sell something to i • _... , __ you? I'm not sure exactly how this all goes. 08:06 Deb �o, I think everybody has what you sent. I mean, everybody has had a chance to review what you sent on Thursday, so if nothing...if that's : what you were looking for approval on .. __. �_ _ _ _ ' Marty ' It's advanced further. It's advanced further. ;_..__._ _.. _ _ . _ _ _. _:. Deb ; Then it would be helpful to just know what's advanced from that. ' _ _ ; __ _ _ _ _ _ _: � Marty '; Okay, uh, I'm not sure what copy you have. That was last Thursday? ; : ........ _...... ; _ _ _ _ _.; '' Deb '! Right. : _ _ __ _ _ Marty Um,yeah. It, it,yeah. I can see there's quite a few things,these are : not the same. Uh, maybe, I can just give you what I have as for copies. _ � _ __ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ' ; (Several) ' [Talking about getting and sharing copies] '; ....,_._,,...... _....._......_...,_._...._ . . 3....... .......... ..... . ........ ......... .......... ...._ ......._ .................. .. . ........... ..._ „ .... _ ........ ... ......_.._t � Deb Why don't you just give us a verbal overview? ,` ____ __. __ _� __... __ . .._..,, .. _ . _.___........_ __ _ _�__._,m.__e_... e.._ __ .� _.._e.� _ _�._._� ; (Several) [Further comments about getting and sharing co ies] _ ___ __ _o _ _ _._._ _ __ _. _ _ _ _ ... __ 09 04 Dan I had a question about how would you wo El� into the programs?� �_....... _ _ _ _. �,; Marty Elim is offering their facilities. They're not give...we're not asking for ' , any...they're not asking for any money or any um, you know, um, � ' anything else connected with the church at all. It's just a beautiful i ' building, it's not being used during the summer, and--thank you,these ', four guys here and so they just,the�ust... _____ _._._.__ .�.__ __ _- —- _ --- ____,.. _ __. � �� , • � � � _ __ __ _ _. Marty Oh, did they?(Laughing) Oh... _ ___ __ _ __ _ _ _ __.. May 1, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 5 of 17 _ _ _ _ _.... _ _ _ ? ' (Comments about extra copies of the programs) _ _ __ � _ __ , • Dave Yeah, I have one, right here. __ _ _. _ � Marty So, thanks, Gary, for asking that, cuz that s uh,that is an important ' thin�. _ _ , ' _.._.. . ---- .. ..____ . _ __.. __ ... �__._. . _ ._ _ ._...�__..... _ _-----... _. Dave Now the facilities,what, Marty, when you say facilities are you speakmg about the church itself? _ _ _ _ _ , ' 09:53 ' Marty ', Yeah,what,what would be helpful is, is that we have a place that ' offers a unique opportunity for kids to learn. So, we'll either have a ' presenter or one of us who, who has a field of study that is of interest, � ' and provide some op o �fi�av�-tearn� or an idea of ', i ' creativity of s sort and then we go out into the and work on '' ; ' what w�'- just learned. And then we have an hour of som rt of � play activity and an hour to eat, and then Gammelgarden was a in ,.�'� � touch with us as we've merged their ideas together is to have them, ? 'j�th, do a storytime learning either Swedish, Spanish, or sign language, ! �`but it's not like, I think one of the ideas that I got from some of the , :'committee members from the town board was we are offering mething�ver�rigid and � r� .r„rPd where there's no openness to,to uh, here's a certain style,there's only a certain style of learning going ' ' on. A hat's not at all what's in the programming ; __ _.... ,, _ _... � � / Jan Give me an e f what ou have for unstruc , r ri example...cuz I don't see unstructured play in here anywhere .. _ __ , _ _ _ _ _ _ ; ; Marty ' I don't have unstructured play. Everything that, uh, is...I guess I don't ' ; want to get caught in terminology but... _ . _ ___ _ __ • x Jan That's what the town board was referring to, was unstructured play, which is critical to developing, uh, oh, critical thinking skills and ; ' � creativity in adults. It has to occur somewhere and I'm just wondering why that's not in here anywhere. __..__.._ ___.. .__ _ __ ' Marty I don't know what you mean by unstructured play, but uh, everything ; ' that is in there... __..... _ _ _. _. ', Jan ; I mean...play that is not structured,that is not guided from beginning ; ' i to end. . _ . ___ ; Dave (to guest) Who you looking for? , ........ , __ _ _1 ; John Park and Recreation � _..... _.._...... . }__ __ _y _............................� ____ ______ _....�_...______ ` Deb He , John, come on m. � _ __ _ , John How are you? __ __ __ _ _ _ _; ' Deb ! Not too bad. ' __ __ _ __ _ _ __ _.... ; � � _. . , ;... ' _.._ � ; 12:00 � � ; Karen Well, it looks like a really fun program you put together It looks like ' you put a lot of work into it. _____ __.__.__. _._._.._W � __--___� _;._ _ _ _ _. �_. ` Marty , I'm hoping that we have,the enrollment that we need to have will be ; , 9 kids per theme in order to make our supplies. I guess the urgency of ; ' understanding that you wanted to see a proposed budget. This is the � best I could come up with. .___.. __......... . ............... y....._..... ......... ......_...._. .___... ..._... ..... .............. ................. ._........_..... __..___ _..__. � Jan Yeah,just a skeleton is all we wanted It doesn't have to be exact. , __ _... Marty Here, Karen, would you mind passing that out? So that gives a better , layout maybe?Last year's operating expenses were close to $9000. __ _ __ _ _ _ _ May l, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 6 of 17 _..__. _ . __ __... _. .... __ ...... _ __ . We've added one more hour to the day, as well as two more wee s. � Plus the programing we've exceeded. • _ _.. �... Jan What's,what's your net on this?Do you have an estimated net? _� __ _ y ; _ _ Mart One minute. When the programming, uh,we've added more ', programming. I guess I didn't count how many programs we had, ' :. more than we had in place last year. Sorry? _ _.; _......_ _._ _... _ . _ 13:00 ; Jan If you get 9 students...you said 9 students was your breakeven? � _..._ _.__ _.._ � _ _ _.. , Marty Yes. _ _ _ _ __ _ . _ _ _ ; Jan If you get 9 students per,that would cover the$7338 of expenses� _ �_____ _ _:. _ ___ . ._. _ � _ _ ___ ___ __ ° Marty Right...So it's considerably...offering more for less money. Which is a ` good thm� _ _... . -a ;�,____.�__ ___..__._... . _. _.. _m.._ ..... . ._...... _.._ ..__�.___...� Dan Is that typical, Marty?9 kids per class?Do you think you'1 ave any ; trouble getting that many? _ _ __ ; Marty It's a whole overall view. So,would we be expecting to get that ; � number, do you think? I think we'll get that... ___..,, „___._� __.... (Several) [Agreement that the enrollment is a reasonable expectation] ' __ ._. . _. ._ .�, ; _.. _ _.. _ _ , __ _ _. _._ � ' Karen What's capacity? � Mart � We are onl oin to be able to hold,becau � leader if w � _.,.......,. _..... _._ �. , _. _._ y y g g se we on y ave two supervisors, or teachers of some sort, and maybe a youth e ? � l ; need it,for 30 kids. That's all we can hold. „_�i � �,._ _.._..._.. .. _ _ .. ��_. .. .._ .._. m__. ___ �___.__� __ _ �._ �.__.__�____ __._.. . � Jan Well, I would think, most of these, you wouldn't have any pro em __. . getting 9. _ _ _ _ .... 14:05 Dave No, I, I,No, I don't either. One thing that has come up and I think • ; needs to be, needs to be brought up. When you use church facilities, you have to be very,very careful that on the walls there are no 10 ' Commandments hanging,no pictur�s of Jesus Christ on the cross, ' and that type of thing. Or biblical stories presented. Because that begins to cross the line then,between separation of church and state. ' ,. _.. _ .�_ _ .. . __ _ Jan See,I have that problem just entering the building. I appreciate Elim ; ' _ �rovidmg�their,their facilrt�es,but I have a concern about that. _ __ ..... .. _ .__ _ _._ a_ _ � __...... _._ __., � �... .._._. Karen Well,why were you thinkmg...Is it just a nicer place than t e rooms ' here?Does it work better... '. � ..._� � --_ .� _.� _ _ �_ � � _�_ „Marty Er,yeah. it is more inviting. Um, it's safe. Uh, it's friendly. It's uh, it's : ; ' more, uh... ' _ _ _. _ __ _. _.... �.� Dave I, I'm sure it is. The only... ; __ _ _..._ _� ; Marty/Dave (Talking at the same time) � , __ __ _ _ Y g �'Y y 15:04 Dave The onl thin that I wo about is that if somebod from another ; faith comes in and goes back and tells Mom and Pop, and then Mom ' and Pop suddenly come on like gangbusters saying, "What are you ' doing?" It could get blown all out of proportion. The problem. Just a ; thought, but we do have to be careful about that, because we are a _ government agency. And there is,there is a lme you can't cross. , _.___..... ��_ __._ _ __.___ __�.__ Karen Would there be people you think who are deterred from going to it � because it were held in a church? _... _.. _ _._ � __ ..... Dave What I m saying is that if you have somebody who is not a Christian, � ; that would suddenly walk into a Christian church, and see Christian , motifs on, on everywhere they looked and then go back, and say � May 1,2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 7 of 17 __ _. _.. , ; something to their parents. The parent's then would, feedback would • come back. It might be then rather sticky, especially if rt hrt the press. _... _ __ _ g 16.06 Susan Would a blurb in the fliers that,that o out... .._ ...._ _ __ _ _ . _..., ' ' Dave °. What I would suggest, if it's, if it's possible, either use this building, , or use some facilities over at Gammelgarden itself, which is entirely ' divorced and there's no religious connotation there and... ; ;_._._.. _._ _ .. _. _.. . Marty The church owns Gammelgarden. :. _._ � ....._.._. .... ; Dave �� Pardon? , __ _ __ � __ _ _ _< ; Marty/Susan The church owns Gammelgarden. : ..._... ____. __. � _.... _.._ _._ ___ ___.. _... .. _._._ _..�.._. Dave : I know. I know it does, but it's the presentation of religious objects ' that is _ __.. .. _ __.. _�.. _ _ __ ._� � _ _ __ ____ . — � Marty That could be,that could be considered I'm not... ,.. ._. _ _ _ _. . ��_ _ _... ___ __ _._ Dave Yah. Okay, Yah. I just wanted to bring that up. _ ...... _ ___. — _. __ _ __ ___ _ ____ ___ _ _ ____. _ _ ._.... _ _ � _.._. . > Marty I don't want you to be feeling like we have one place in mmd. � _ . _ _ _ _..... Dave We just don't want to, uh, end up in a, uh, a sticky situation. Karen ._ , We want to be.____ �r__ W W� �_.._.. �__�_ ,.�,.�___.. � _. �__.___._._.._ �...._, ,��_ . ...._...... _..__._�_. _.. ._ _.__ inclusive. ; .. _ _ . __ , Marty We got to figure out in the times we meet today, even in your dollar bills that you s�end every day, it says, "In God we trust " ____ _.._.._.. _�_........._ . _ __��_ _�..._ _--- ,�" Gary That's a whole 'nother argument. � � Jan Yeah, that's a whole 'nother argument,which... , • _ _ _ _ _........ _..__ 17:00 Marty I'm not even going to argue with you, but I'm opened up to that idea. I wouldn't want to carry it. _____. _ __ _ _ _._ : ' Gary I know there are some religious groups in this area that will not step ' into another church. : .._ _. _ _..... _ ___ ; Jan ' And especially when you are talking kids,there's a confusion issue. , : But we need to be careful of the time here, �uys. __._._._ . ._ _ _.. Deb , Why don't we... , _ . __.. _ _ _ : , ` Dave Just something to think about. � ......... .................. ._....._.. q.......,.,. ......_...... ................. ......... .................. .__......... .._..__. ......_...._. .................. ,.,....... ........_. .............. .............. .......... 3 Deb ...If the church is an issue then we can put that in our recommendation. I mean if you want to say that in our ; recommendation to the town board,then you can say that's a concern ' � � of ours. Um, any other questions� �'� , ........ . . y . _ . . __. ; Gar Uh,there's one more, on the Combo programs that we had last year. ; _ ___ _ _.. __� .._..�...__ __ ___.. , ...._. �....__. �..-- -- -. _ . __._. � Deb Right. i �__W W____�_. ;____ _�� _____ _ _ _.�_� __._------ -- ; Gary How successful was that? ' � � � Deb We had 13 families 24 � � kids that were there all da , �y. They made up { , ; : about half of the Spark enrollment. Those, many of those kids would '. have otherwise been in Sparks, but they,they did the whole thing. , ` They expanded the whole thin�,basically _______ ; _. .. . . . _...__... _ Jan ' Is there a problem with offering that this year? _ _ ; .._ _.. __... _... _ �........ . �__ , ._...._� • Deb Is there a problem? ___ _ _ _ 18:00 Jan Pm just wondering, I'm just wondering why we're not offering that this year if there were that many people mvolved? _ __ _. _ .. . __ . May 1, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 8 of 17 _.... _.... __ ' Deb ' I don't know. _ , __ ; • Jan That's a question for Marty. _ __ _ __ Gary Was that the first year we offered this? _. _.._. __... _ __ _�. _ _� Deb The all-day,yes. It was,the idea was,the idea of the Combo program ; was to make it,to make a component that linked the different options together so that they were accessible to working families. Working families can't do Spark even for a day, unless they're gonna get,you ' know, carpooling by neighbors. Any program that you run during the : day hours is not accessible to working people. So, we had comments � and requests from working parents that said, 'isn't there some way ; you can make it all day so we can, our kids can participate?'And = some working parents helped formulate that. � _ ._.. __ _ _ __ _ . __. ; 18:58 i Marty And we worked it in, right now you'll see, in uh, skateboarding, and um, lacrosse, both of those will be in conjunction with an afternoon or morning program so that they would have the opportunity for a 9-3 ' ; program. Excuse me. 9-2 or 9-4. I'm sorry. One is one, and one is the ' ; other. I can't remember. The 9-2 is skateboarding and um, basketball, ', I think, and that kind of thing. So they do have those options and it's ; not for 145. It's for 130, so. ,_� � ___ __._ � _ __ _ _ _ � _ __ ., _ ___ , �__._i Jan ` How,now on these programs, how these gomg to be timed? These, on this page,here? , _ _ __ , _ _ _ : Marty Everything else is 9 to uh, one. _ _ � �.___. __.. . .� _.._ _.._ _....... ___.. _. _..__. _. . ..� _._ _._._ . ... _._. „ � Jan � 9 to 1? _ ..___ __..... . __.. _... ___. , • Dan � When, um, I'm a little reluctant to talk about this stuff, cuz I don't know very much at all, frankly, about programs, but I look at ' this...Lacrosse seems like a fairly athletic activity. Includes grades Kindergarten through 6th grade, is that right? _. _ _ _ � Marty : Yeah. _ _.._ ��._...__ _ _.n.. _ . _... ... . _ _.�.___.. ._ ____; 20.00 Dan � � That's a pretty wide spread, considerin the athle�� g tic ability of a � � kinder�artner vs a 6th�rader ____ _.__.___ .. _ _ � ___�__ �_� _ _ _. __�_. . ; Marty �� That's a very valid point. And, and,I watched them last year. I, I had been involved with Cleat Kids but I also had an interest in how they were running it cuz it was offered the same way last year. Kids,k-8. And,the kind of response,there seemed to be a facet to the kids it targeted to. And those kids were in the ages of uh, I think 4th, St�, , i and 6th...Debi would know,cuz she's got the list of kids. But there ;, was one kindergartner and there was one first grader, so...and the way : they had it, it wasn't in a competitive or it wasn't so it was, uh, a ' struggle between,you know, 'I can do this,you can't' kind of thing? it ':, ' was highly devised to meet the needs where the kids were doing a lot ? of, um, group instruction or group participation of learning the skills ' of throwing, catching,that kind of stuff?And when it came down to ' games and stuff they actually had to pass to that little kindergartner ' before they could even do any shooting. Or, it was 3 times to pass it , before the next kid gets it. It could be that kindergartner. So it was ; inviting in a way So it wasn't a difficult thing. • _. _ _ 21:22 Y Gary Lacrosse is kind of the new soccer. It's getting really popular. ; __ _ _ __ __ __ _ _; May 1, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 9 of 17 _ __ _. _. ' ' Dan ! I think that's great, I think that's an excellent idea. I'm just wondering , why basketball and tennis are divided k-3 and 4-6, and lacrosse is k- • 6• __ _ _ _ _ ; '�� Marty Well, um, � __.. _ _ ........_ . _ _ _ _; ', : Susan It's an actual lacrosse program that comes in... � ; ......... ;..._. _ _.._. . _..___ _ ...... _; � Marty It's a lacrosse program. I'm not running it. ____ _ _ __ _ _ _ , Jan ; So they'll probably separate them out, I'm betting. ._ ; _..... ' Dan ', Yeah,this is how they operate when they offer it. _. _ _ _ , _.. _ ' Marty ' They're doing it. Yeah. ___. _ _ _; , Jan ; Is, is this, uh, do you have a format for sending this out? Or, is this going out similar to this? _. _ _ _.._ _ _ _ 22:01 ; Marty ; That was one of the concerns Deb had written to me, saying this isn't ' / very inviting. Or it doesn't show much, uh, I don't know, exactly the / words that were used, but it maybe needs to be tweaked a little bit � more. ___ __....._ ____ ..... _ .. . _._ . .. _ __ . .._ ..___ .. . .. .,.. _... _,..... _.�. ...... . . . ....� , � Jan So, you were planning on sending out something like, like what we ' ' have in our hand? _ _�.. ..... _� _. �__. __.. . � � __... __ _. _,.. �_ .._._ __. .__m. ,__ _ .m__. . .. . . � Mart Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm open. I, I think we're somewhat at a loss as to what I'm here as, as a help and also to be assisted by, rather than Pm making choices of this is how it's gonna be. I hope you like ' it. _ _ _ ; ' Jan No,no, I'm just asking... • . _. _ _ _ _. Marty (interrupting) Cuz if you don't like it,tell me what you'd like it to be. _ �.. � _ _ __ _ _._. __..� ; Jan ; No, Pm just trying to find out from you what you, if you were plannm.�._to... . . __ _ _ � Marty (interrupting) You guys pay me, I'm getting paid to do what you'd ; like me to do. So. Pm, I'm open. _ � ..__.� _ ___.�,. -- _ _ __ __ _.. . __ -- --- ._..; / Gary As I read the job description, we're supposed to work together to... ; __ _ _ _ _ _ _; ,� Marty , (interrupting)Right. Absolutely. So, I'm open. _ _ _ _ __ _ i 22:58 Dave Well, as far as Pm concerned we've, we've got to get moving. And uh, ` ' we can't be sitting here, uh, figuring out, 'Well, we're gonna change ; ' ' this and we're gonna go this way now, let's just change this.' We've , got to get this out to the public. I mean, school's gonna be end, in ; what�4 weeks?We've got to get this out and�et moving. ____ ' __� _.... _ _ _.. _ . _. Dan This is good. ,.___ _... � . _ __.._. _ �... _ � ,� . Dave We've got a program here. Pd just soon let'er rip and let's get going. __ ___ _ — _ . __ . _ — __.__ ___-�� Gary I would assume the subcommittee would probably have a lot to say about this? Is that maybe where this should go? , _ __ . _ ' Deb ' Well, I don't know that this... _..._. __. _. ..._... _ ;_..__ __ __ _ _ _ _ __ Marty ; (Interrupting) Have you met with your subcommittee? __ _.._. ,_ _ _ _ _ _ __._; ; Deb '�, (Trying to answer) ; _ _.__.__ ___. --__.. ., . ._ . ._ _ �.._ __.___. �_ �----- ---_ .____. __._____ ____� • , Marty (interrupting) I mean, other than the one time? � ; � _ ; ; , Deb , (Trying to answer) : _ __ __ _ _ _ _. _. _.._._ ._ May 1,2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 10 of 17 ___ __ __ __. _ Marty ' So that's not something that's in the making on a regular basis? _ _ _ _ _i � ; Deb The subcommittee only meets as needed and they met the one time to come up with ideas. � . _. _ . ; _ .. . , ', ;. Marty Do you feel that that's necessary?Do they have to meet again? , _ _ _---.. _ . _ ___. ._. ___ __.__ �_ _ . _ Deb Meet again?I sent it to the people, but I,they haven't gotten back to me yet, over the weekend So,we're on a tight timelme .. : __ . _ _ __ . _�_. _._. ___ __ ._�.... _.._. .. . ..__; Marty You sent it to the subcommittee? �_ __,.� ____._ , , _. _ _ __W _. ........ . ............ _ _____ .__ _ — _ ._�_ _.�____..... ... .�_ __ Jan How many people are on that, Deb? ____. _..__._ �.__. _. _.. . _ _ __ _.. _�_ .._� �_... .._— _._..._. _. ___._� __. _... .._. ! ; Deb Well,that was Adam, Randy, and Nikki, and then Sue... , , �_.__ . ._�. ;.._. _ __ _ _...__ _.__ _�__..._ ___..., ; Marty ; This Sue... ,_........ .._.._. _._. � ...._. _ __ __ __...._ _ _. . ..... _�_..�_ . ..._.��_ .�__ _ ; ; Deb ' No. �T _,_,,._ ._...,____ _,_,._ __.�_. _ _ . . . ._.._,.___.__�_._.. ..____ .._ _�___.__. __�; ' : Jan '�� You mean Susan, or Sue? _�__.._ _..._...�_. .. _._ .___. _- . _. .. _.._ __ ___ _. ' Deb No, Sue Lenz. And there were,there were a couple other participants ; ; that had sent feedback in so I, I sent the proposal to them. .._ . ___ _ _ __ __ _ _ _ " Susan Well,you didn't... ', _ ___ �. ..___.__. . . _ _- - - _._. -- _ .. .._ . _. __ _ _ __. __. _ ___ ._ Deb No, I didn't send it to you cuz I knew you already were involved. : _ _ _ _ _: ' Susan '! Oh. Okay. _ �._. ___ _. : _ _ _ ____ _ _ . .��.� .__ '' Marty ' And Sue Lenz is totally busy. __ . . _ _ __ __; Deb She was the one I actually did get feedback from. ___ ___�� _____.� �---- - . ..�.._._.. ._ . _ �, _ __ ,�_... _ ____.___.._____ __. ___� ____._ . _-- • ; Jan It's my understanding that the town board wants to make a decision ; � on this tomorrow. __ F_ _ . _.._ _... _... � ' ' Deb ' Right, ' __ __ _ __ _ _ _ ; Karen I I just had one question. It looks like there's only one program for kids who are over Sth grade. Sports camp is the only one that goes up to ' ' 8th �rade. I mean this is probabl�, you guys probably figured... ' ___ _.__ __ � _ . __. ' Susan , Once a kid gets out of elementary school they kind of, don't do that _ __ ;...___ __ kind of stuff any more. '; 25:03 Deb ' Well, and we did have one suggestion on the list,you know,to do a volunteer club of some sort or service learning type of thing for the : , ', older kids which I think they would,they would really like that. But '; yeah, I don't think there's time to send this back to the other committee. We can forward feedback on to Marty, as it comes in. I ' don't know that, I mean, I think the feedback that we've gotten is ', more related to being concerned about dropping Spark and Survivor and the Combo program than,than what's here. I don't think that .� v W' there's a problem with what's in here. .. _ � . ..._... ,,�, __.. �.... _.�_._ . � _..... �___... __... _ ........ : Gary Well,then that brings us to the next question, do we have a budget , problem as far as adding those? Is it a personnel problem with addmg those, or? �__. ... ____... �. . .. ...... _......_ . __. �..�. _. _.; �..._. � __.. . . __ . ...__. 26:00 Jan Yeah, cuz those don't have to be developed They're already there. , Pm just wondering why we're not, why we're not offering that. , s , Because it has been popular and it has been well attended, as I • , understand it, from the numbers Pve seen. And you've got people ', ' willing to be hired to,to run it. So I'm just wondering why we're not ; doing that. ; _ ; _ _.. _.. _ May 1, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 11 of 17 __ _ _ __ __ _......_ _ ' Marty Well, I am in charge of hiring. I am in charge of running the • programs. _ '. _ ___ _ .. _..____ ... . Jan Okay. _ _ __.. _ _ _ _ _.__ __ _ ' Marty ', So, I didn't know that you had,would like to have seen this. There's i been, like I said, no communication other than Friday. ' . _ _ . _ _ _......_ _ Deb Well,that was on the list of things we gave you a week and a half � a o. Two weeks a o. ; _.�. ___,__.-__ ___�_ . , _ _ _ . �, _ �_�_.______$ __ _�.__�_ —... . . _.__._ , ...___m_�— . , Marty !, Yeah. And there's been no dialog...on any of it. So I didn't understand ' maybe,the need. Or the concerns you have that what you were doing , last year and what the point,or what was happening in those ' ; programs that we aren't doing now. Or making use of now. I don't see that...is it just cuz of the name that you want to see put in there? _ _ __. _ _ .. .. _ _ 27:04 Deb ; Well, I guess we need to, we need to formulate a recommendation. � Whether you want... Sarah What was it we discussed?Leaving in the Spark and Blast and , Combo. And then retain some of the other stuff, which I think you � did a fantastic job with some of the other ideas we had and kind of fit ° a little bit of each category. Which is really great. Some animal stuff ' in there, and art, which was real nice. And some historical stuff. The ' , pioneer stuff which I thought was really cool. Uh, I guess, my ; , question is, are we going to add back in the others that were most � popular last year--the Sparks and Blast and Combo program? Would : that be something we would be able to do, or would that be stretching ' the envelope too far or too much� !, • _ __ _ _ _... _ _ _. . 27:47 Marty � I think, and I'm not sure what Sparks and Blast offered. I don't have ' any, I don't have any understanding behind it. So, I can't say what it ' ; would cost to run something like that. I'd have to understand more , fully of the need that it provided. The staff that it needs. Pd have to know all of that, before I could make a judgement call on what's, uh, , what's valuable. The idea that the community is only set on having ; just one thing available to them I think is not, uh, can go many ways. � It depends on who all you talk ta You know, the first time that uh, , William Brian has ever been asked by the Park and Rec. to have __._ _ some programs put over there. : , Jan Well,that's...and what you've included are great, but we're just asking � , about the Spark and Blast programs that had already been fleshed out ; and. ___ .. . , .... •• _ _ __ Marty ; Again, I told you, I don't know. _.... __ _ _ ... __ Jan ...we've talked about this for the last 3 years, and it shouldn't be � �� entirely new. And we've had descriptions of them, and so it wouldn't ' , be terrible to recreate them. I'm wondering why, with only two weeks ' to get something to the town board,why they were completely left ' off the list. Cuz it seems kind of.. , __ _.._ __ _ _ _ 29:00 Marty ; (interrupting) Well,you could be, you can present what you'd like the `' ' town board to know. I just didn't know what Sparks and Blast is. I ; , don't think it's fair for you to say that I already knew about it. • Because I didn't run the program last year on Sparks and Blast. And so, I don't have any animosity about what you run. But I think the ; idea here is that you know, if you wanted to make me understand it, ': ' then I can't see that I've left it out of these other pro�rams that are ! __ __ _ __ _ ._�; May 1, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 12 of 17 ...... _.. __....... _, I going, hopefully, to be run. I don't see that there's a need to duplicate. ' • ; And are we duplicating?Is it a merge-able program so that now kids have a place to go. They have things to do. It's,uh, more encompassing of their time. And they have more things that have been merged together. And that what speaks to me what the town ', wanted to have happen. I can't speak for the town and what they'll accept, erther. So. That's where we �a _. . __ . _........ . .__ _. 30:11 Deb Let's formulate a recommendation. ' __ _.. _ _- - __. __ �_. _ _ _.... . ._ ..� _ — __ - -,--__, Gary Well, yeah,that's, um, I think everything we've got here. And I think , what I've been hearing is that we wanted to add the Combo program to that. We already have historical needs for personnel, and we have a ; history of what it costs. So, basically, it's all done. And it's already structured. And the same thing with everything else. _ _ _ _ _ _ Karen Can somebody tell me in 10 seconds or less,what Sparks and Blast , are? ' _�.. __. ....... . ___ _ .. °, Marty/Susan (Laughing,talking) __..._�... _._ � .__ _...�__ _..__. ; . __ ___ _._. ' ; Deb Sparks and Blast are the traditional playground program that we all ' ', grew up with, if you grew up in a town ar a city with a city park, ', ; where a group of kids comes together, meets at the park, and you ', ' have younger leaders, college/high school age leaders,they play games, do crafts, special events, scavenger hunts. It's very... !, ' 31:OS : Marty ', (interrupting) But you don't want to duplicate what you've already , __ got... _._ _ _ _.___ ___ . __ ,._ _ _ � • � �Jan (over Marty,to Deb) Were you done with this? , rty (Still talkmg) So if you duplicate... � a (to Marty) Can you let her finish what she's saying? _ _ _, arty , Thank you. So, if you dupli... ; �;� _....,._.____.____._......_ _ .... __.__ __ ..._ . . . __ .. _ . ..._._._: Ja No, I was referring to letting Deb fimsh what she was saying. � Because I was trying to hear what she was saymg. ' , ......._.. _ ._...... ___ _. ._ _ ........ _ : Marty I'm invited, I'll, Pll speak. _ _ • _ ___ __ _ __ Jan ' Yes, but, excuse me Marty, she had the floor and I was trying to hear ' `'� what Deb was saying. And I didn't hear what she was finishing. ; �_.... _ .,........ __ _. . _ ', Marty ; (snorting) _ _ _ __ __ _ ; ; Deb ', 10 seconds...It's a program where kids come together at the park. , ', They play games, they have young leaders, college and high school ', '' leaders. Um,they play games,they do crafts and special events. Everything from racing remote cars to, um, frog races and whatever __....._..___ _.__ _ _ .-.� �__ _. _ ___._ .__.__ . _.. _..___... _...__.. Karen Macaroni art. ' _. _ __ _ __... _ Deb Macaroni art. You know, nothing super-high tech. It's really more the �ure fun, get together with your friends That's what it would be. __ _ _ __ _ _ . __ 32:04 Gary , And that would be all in the Combo program. __ _. , _ _.... __ , Deb Yup. And the absolute favorite program last year, out of anything, was Survivor And they put a lot of time and energy into... __ _ __ _ • Marty (interrupting) They had 5, 5 kids participate m that program. ; _. __....__ .. � ; Deb No,there were 5 but there were 23 that were part of the Combo program that participated in Survivor. They were there all day and ; __ . __ __ _ May 1, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 13 of 17 __ _ _ _ _ _ ___.._.. ', '; participated. Most of the, most of the participants in the Outdoor ' Explorers and the Survivor program were all part of the all day • program. That,that core group of 23-25. So, anyway ' _ ; Gary Very, very quickly, Marty just... � _ , _._ _ ;; , Marty ; (interrupting) Can I just say something?Yeah, Sue, Sue go ahead. _ . _.. _ __. __; ' 32:55 ! Susan ' Um,the only concern I have with kids who've been involved with �/ Sparks in the past and a couple of old daycare kids of mine have,too. - " I ^ ' There was one, I don't know if it was last summer, for the,there was a time where it wasn't,the youth leaders were running out of ; activities to do. There wasn't enough activities to keep the kids busy � and they were getting bored and restless so the leader was ending up ; ; 1, taking them up to the store to buy them ice cream cones out of their i ; pocket. You know,just as a filler. That was one concern,that a 5 Deb da�ycare Mom of mine had had wrth the pro�ram _____� � � � at was probably the Blast program, wasn't it? ___._ _ ; _ _ __ _ ._. __ : ' Susan '; Yeah. And I don't know if you were aware that,that was going on. ,...._... _ _ _ _ _ : , Deb ' Yeah, I'm not sure if it was a filler activity or...the Blast kids are the oldergroup. And they.. ___.... . ..___ . . _ — .._ _ _ __ _�_� _ __ _._ _ __. . ...___ ; Susan The mom had just made a comment that, 'well,what am I paying for if every day that teenager is paying out of her pocket for ice cream, ; you know, and. __ _ ...� m a. .._. __ __,._ .__ .,� _..___�__ � _ � _. _�. ............ ..._. . �Deb Yeah. _ _ _ _. _ _ _ .... Gary Well,that's very correctable. � � _. .._ _ __ _ _ _ _. _ _._ _ ......._ Marty Well, my concern is that,that you have,we have the weeks figured � �'"�� out and we spent time on doing that. So, are you guys suggesting that '" ` you want to have competition?with, uh,the themes that are offered? ' ', And offer Sparks and Blast? So that now,the kids have to make a ____ choice again?__ __ _ _ 34:08 ; Jan Well, I think we're talking about offering something that's a little more comprehensrve rather than having it a competition. _ _.. _. .. _. _.. . _ . ___...... __...._ ; Marty I mean, none of it is competition. ._ _................ _ ......,. . . _____..................__ _ Deb I think the original idea, Marty, was to take the core group of ' programs and add to that.Not, develop a whole new program and ' then try to figure out how to try to fit back in the Sparks program and ', Blast, and you know. It was to start with the core program and '' ' expand that out into the areas of the list that we had made. ,_...__._ __._ . . __ _ __ _ __ , ; Susan ; Can I comment,just looking in from the outside? �__ _ _�.._ .__._ _ .._.____,.. ...__..___.______��.._._.._.__�____.__._ .___�_�.,,_._��. ._._ ....__ _____ , Deb Yeah. _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ : ; Susan ' It, it seems like people are getting really caught up on the names, �j' Spark and Blast, and that, it seems like she's kind of taken, Marty's �� , taken and made like a Spark program, but it just doesn't have that , name on it. And just filled it in with some more structured activities �ust to fill the time more _. _��_.� ___ __.e.... ___. ... �_._. __ _ .. . _.... ___ ._ �.. __.. ...._ __ . . ; ` Deb Yeah, and that can be... � __ _�_ ,._.._ ___ � _.... _ �_________ � _____ ___ � Susan � � That's just how it looks looking in from the outside. _�_.. _. _..__ ___ __ _.. _ _ ... __� ____ . _. _�...�..; ', 35:02 ; Deb There is,though... j May 1, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 14 of 17 _ _ _ _ _ _, Susan ` That we're getting really caught up on just the name. _ _ , __... __ � ', Deb But there is a reputation that goes with that name and there is a history and, um, __ _ , _ ' Karen Recognition? _ ._ _.�- .. ......__ _ _ .. ._.....__........ _._ _. . ... .�._ _._._... Deb Recognition that you develop over years with a name. And so, to just drop it and start over, you ; ___ , _ _ __ __ . _. , i Susan ' (interrupting) ...dropping the name... _ . - -- -- -_ _ �_� _.._ _ . -- -_— �_._ .___.,__. � _. . ......... .... ... — �.. _____ ___... Deb I think we need to formulate a recommendation and we can work in ' whatever those concerns are, and go from there. The town board is going to make the decision anyway. ' Dave ' Well, since it looks to me like a lot of the things that were done with '; , ; Sparks--and Pm not that familiar with it, either, because I'm brand new here--looks to me like, it's, it's a lot of the things in Spark are `� ; included in what Marty has here. Can't we just say somewhere in the ; opening here,this is the Sparks program?New and glorified Sparks , ; program? ' Deb ' Sure. ' _ _ _ _ __. __ _ _ __, , 35:55 ; Gary Well, I think that we're looking to do the Combo program, so people have an all day long thing. Glorified babysitting if you want to,but rt's structured and educational, and thmgs_l�ke that So,this is ` _........_. .. .�.._._ ___.____...... .. �___ �_ _.___�...... . . . ... __ .. ____ . ___ _.__ .__ ____�.; Marty I'm, Pm not going to be open to that because unless I can find staffing � for that. Those are,the people who are in volunteering their time and ' are not getting paid a whole heck of a lot, are Moms,who have kids. So, an all day program is not conducive for our ot�vn children. • _ ___.... __ __ _ _ Deb Well, let's, let's, if you want that in the recommendation, let's put that ' in the recommendation, as to what we were looking for. _ __ _... ___ ' Gary ' It worked last year. ', _._ _ _ _.._ �__. __ _,_ . ...__.. ...... Jan And, is it a problem to hire somebody? , _ _ .... _ _ _ __ _ Deb I don't know. I mean it; . �.._.... . ....... . . ... _..... . .......... __. _ ._ ___..._i , ....._ _..... _..... . _... Jan I mean, because we have done it, we have done that in the past. _ ..._...... ;.... _ _ _. _ __ _............i ' Deb Right. I mean it...yeah,we've done it, we've done it in the past. __.._.... �____.__ __ _��_._ - _.. . — . . . �_ . ._-__.. .. ___._.. _�. __ , ; Dan Sounds to me like we need more time to talk about a '�� _ __ ' recommendation. We could talk about this all night._�_ _ Deb Do you want to come back to formulate a recommendation after we , hear the county? We could do that. __ . __ _ __ _ _____ : (several) ; [Agreeing] � _ _ _ _-_ __ �_ __� 37:00 ; Jan Because it's already 5 to 8. ° �.__ _, �_ . � _ __. __ � ___..___� �_�._� ; Deb Yup. Let's do that. Because we've got to come back to some of these other items, you know, as w ._ want to ask her before she --- � leavas, anythin�about loverleaf`� ; :��.____�_______� � .. _ ... . _.__ �... .. . _..... .... _._._----__._.__ _.� � ` � Jan � Oh, yeah. Marty...Marty... � �� ' ; — _ __ _ _ ' _ � _ _... .....___. _ .._� _�� Marty I'm sorry, what are you going to do with this for? _� _. ; _ __ � ___ �... . _. _ _._.._ _ ��__ • Deb We're gonna, because the county is waiting here to speak,we're , gonna re-convene this conversation after the county is done and formulate our actual written recommendation for the town board. May 1, 2006, Scandia Park and Rec Committee Meeting 15 of 17 _ _ _. . _ , Marty ! So...am I to stay or am I gonna? _ _ _ __.. _ _ _ _ _ _._: � _ _ Deb __ No. _ _ _ _ _. Jan You,you can stay if you want to. But, he's on at 7:45 and we're way past our time for this. . ___....... _ , _ _�_ __ __ _ ._. .. . _�_...._ __. __...... . .. .... .. . � .. . .._� Absolutely. I just didn't, you don't need for me to stay? �._ . _ _ . . .. _..__ _. . .. _.__ ......... . ... _.. , Jan No. But I still have a question for you. Uh, how many folks did�you : get rounded up to help us on the Cloverleaf? On the 20th? _ . ._ a... _ _ „_,. _. � . ._.___._ Marty = No one's asked me to do anything. � _.__�._ _.. _ _ _ _ __ __ �_ _ ... . _.._..� _ .._ ____� �__ ____.___. Jan Uh, yeah,that was in the request. , ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ _� ' Deb That was in the email that I had given you. � _... _.. . � � �__ _.. __.._ _1 ' Jan For Ma 20th. , ..__ ___ . . .______._; __ ____.. � . _ �._ _ ____�_ __��_ .___ .m—__� � __ � Deb ...during our meeting. , �._ _._ __._._ ...,.. . _ - __ _ _ _ __. �_ .. _______. __. � Marty I think the direct thing was you said you were hoping that I would help us with da, da, da, da cloverleaf... _ _ _ __ _ . ' 38:02 '! Deb ' But she had wrote an email... __ ... __... _..... . .. Jan I had written about 5 requests for volunteers, etc, , _ _ _ _ __ _ , Marty And to who did you send that to?Debi?You didn't send me anything. _.._.... ____ ,........ _ _ __ _ __.. __ __ _ _ _ __ . Deb ; She sent it to me and I printed it for you.And handed it to you at our , meeting the other day with David and Dennis and that was part of ; ' the...you got the mformation that I gave you? _ __ __ _ _ ........ __..... _ �. _ . Marty You know, I didn't even look at it, because there has been no dialog, updated understanding. _.... _.. _ _ . ' ' Jan "; But this is when our meeting is, and... ; _._..... .. . _ . _. � �` Marty I don't know the necessity of it. I didn't know your frameworking of rt. If you want me to me involved, I will be more than happy to, but I think you have to do it face to face. __._ _... __ _. _ ....... . , ; Jan Um, we can't,we can't have an individual face to face meeting on , ; everything. We were trying to,just,we had...there was a meeting a couple... ; _ _ .__... __ __ _ __. Marty I didn't know there was an immediacy to it. Sorry. ! _. _ _ _ _ _ _ : Jan Well, May 20th is less than a month away, and it was presented to ; you at the meeting you had with,with uh, who was that?Dennis... : .. _�... _. � _ _ .... _ _._ ... :. Marty i No, it wasn't presenfed... .. _... _ _... ._.. _...... ., Jan It was given to you in the materials, and I just... . .__._...... __._.._.., ._. . . . . _. _.._....... __.._._,_-___ .�__..��__�...__..�> Marty I didn't even look at it. _.._. ..___ ___........ . _ _. _. ., ..... ... . .. __. . .. .._... __............... .... _._. ...._._ �_.. ....______...__.; Jan And you didn't even look at it. Okay. , ........ _.. __ _ _ __ _ _ _.. __ _.__. 39:00 Deb Why don't you see if you still have that, otherwise we can just forward it Would you let Jan_know_if you don't have it .. 1 __. _.. �__., __ _ __ �__. __._,,,� __..__---, Marty ; What is it that you need? ; _ __ _ __ _ � ' Jan I need some volunteers for flagging intersections, and also for checking in. We had over 80 people in the last ride. • _. � _. _...... ; Marty Did you have people who worked with you in the past? _ _ _ _ _ ._....... _..: